IBM, Hitler and the Holocaust: A Terrible Tale of Capitalism

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    IBM, HITLER AND THE HOLOCAUST: A TERRIBLE TALE OF CAPITALISM WITHOUT CONSCIENCE
    Global Revolution 1: American Revolution 2: Day 60: Communication 1
    IronBoltBruce's Kleptocracy Chronicles for 15 Nov 2011 (g1a2d0060c1)
    How many examples of greed and corruption must you see before you act?


    This is taken from "Six million and counting", written by Peter Preston for The Observer, Saturday 17 February 2001:

    Hitler's Holocaust was happening anyway. With IBM's help, it was easier, as Edwin Black demonstrates in [his book entitled] 'IBM and the Holocaust'

    http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com

    You thought, perhaps, that there was nothing fresh left to write about the Holocaust. Think, sadly, again. Edwin Black, a dedicated, even driven, researcher, has a new charge sheet to present. It shows, in compelling detail, that IBM, 'the solutions company', was also the company of the Final Solution.

    How did Hitler, from 1933 on, find, herd and exterminate millions of his Jewish victims with such sickening precision? Easy. IBM, through its German subsidiary, Dehomag, ran his censuses and surveys on its unique punch-card tabulators. It provided the vital infrastructure for persecution and the the silence of the gas chambers. What is more, it knew exactly what it was doing.

    Thomas Watson, the chief executive who built one of America's greatest international enterprises, did not receive the Merit Cross of the German Eagle for nothing, but for services knowingly rendered. Watson is the villain of this piece. He was a classic American success story, the sewing-machine salesman who became corporate emperor, president of the International Chamber of Commerce and chum of FDR, but also a covert admirer of the Third Reich who peddled his hanging chads with fawning eagerness.

    There is no scope for doubt. Black has a relentless flow of memos, letters and speeches. When Watson wrote in 1937 (long after his punch cards had begun their whirring work) that the world 'must extend a sympathetic understanding to the German people and their aims under the leadership of Adolf Hitler', he had the clearest knowledge of what those aims entailed.

    His fractious underling at the Dehomag subsidiary put it yet more chillingly: 'We are very much like physicians,' he told his Nazi audience, 'in that we dissect, cell by cell, the German cultural body... these are not dead little cards; quite to the contrary, they prove later on that they come to life when they are sorted at 25,000 an hour according to certain characteristics.'

    As the war took hold, Watson found himself trapped between a PR rock and a ruthless hard place. He sent his medal back and disavowed his German clients, but he still kept the tabulators turning, still gathered the profits, was still on hand as the conflict ended to turn Dehomag into IBM Germany and go marching on. That, in a sense, is all you need to know. It is a distinctive contribution to the history of the time. It wholly justifies Black's years of toil. At such a distance, however, the reader inevitably looks for understanding beyond the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing facts, for a more contemporary relevance to set multinational America wriggling uneasily in its chair. Such parallels are easy enough to construct.

    'Watson was no fascist. He was pure capitalist. But the horseshoe of political economics finds little distance between extremities. Accretion of wealth by and for the state under a strong autocratic leader fortified by jingoism and hero-worship was appealing to Watson. After all, his followers wore uniforms, sang songs and were expected to display unquestioned loyalty to the company he led.'...

    The facts (to reiterate) speak for themselves. Hitler would have had his Holocaust without IBM's willing efforts, but it would have been a longer, less clinically efficient business. IBM helped the trains to his concentration camps run on time, spewed out the cards for slave labour and watched its stock-market majesty grow. It was the backbone of Auschwitz and Roosevelt's first social security programme, a 'service industry' which existed to serve whoever paid the bill and not to make moral judgments until forced to confront them.

    That, in itself, is a terrible warning...

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2001/feb/18/historybooks.features

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust


    IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO HOLD IBM ACCOUNTABLE...

    By way of custom of international law, genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes are usually not subject to statute of limitations, nor to prescription. This custom has been codified in a number of multilateral treaties. States that ratify the Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations to War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity agree to not allow limitations claims for these crimes. Article 29 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court states that genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes "shall not be subject to any statute of limitations".

    ...REPORT IBM HERE:

    http://www.icj-cij.org/homepage/contact.php

    http://warcriminalswatch.org/index.php/contact-war-criminals-watch

    http://www.genocidewatch.org/getinvolved/contactus.html



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    OCCUPY WALL STREET: NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION 17 NOVEMBER 2011

    http://occupywallst.org/action/november-17th/


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    SHOW ME WHAT KLEPTOCRACY LOOKS LIKE! THIS IS WHAT KLEPTOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!

    Kleptocracy [klep-TOK-ruh-see]: A government or state in which those in power exploit national resources and steal; rule by a thief or thieves. See also the United States of America where, as Goethe said, "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Want documented examples of the corporate greed that corrupts our government and fuels the Revolution? Find dozens here, with more to come:

    http://kleptocracychronicles.com


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    IT IS NO COINCIDENCE THAT OF THE LAST 14 U.S. PRESIDENTS, 7 HAVE BEEN DEMOCRATS AND 7 HAVE BEEN REPUBLICANS.

    Our Kleptocracy-controlled media focuses on America's two-year election cycles as if who wins or loses in the swinging of the pendulum was a matter of life or death, when in fact even at the Presidential level it makes no more difference than the outcomes of Monday Night Football, American Idol, Dancing With The Stars, Hillbilly Handfishing or the trial of Michael Jackson's doctor. U.S. elections are staged primarily to give Sheeple the illusion of control so they will (a) vent their frustrations and expend their energy, emotions and resources supporting or attacking the Puppet on the Left hand or the Puppet on the Right, and consequently (b) never recognize and challenge the common omnipotent Puppetmaster.

    There was no real change in 2008. There was no real change in 2010. There WILL be real change in 2012, but it won't be coming from tele-brainwashed couch potatoes, manipulated voter lists, rigged voting machines or predetermined ballot counts. It will be coming from us...

    The 99 Percent

    http://corporategreedchronicles.com


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    I AM NOT ANONYMOUS. I AM AN AMERICAN.

    I am not just a Consumer. I am a Citizen.

    I will no longer be labeled Left or Right, Liberal or Conservative, Demopublican or Republocrat.

    I will no longer follow Puppets labeled Left or Right, Liberal or Conservative, Demopublican or Republocrat.

    I am the People. And I am coming for the Puppetmasters.

    I am part of the 99 Percent. And I demand the following:

    1. End the Fed.
    2. Reverse Citizens United.
    3. Repeal PATRIOT Act.
    4. Expose 9/11 Truth.
    5. End Profit Wars.
    6. Refund Taxpayer Trillions.
    7. Imprison the Kleptocrats.
    8. Single Term Limits.

    Or, if these demands are not addressed promptly:

    1. Regime Change.

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    LABELS (A POEM OF PROTEST)

    "Democrat", "Republican",
    The parties of the system;
    Puppets both, for sale their votes,
    No character or wisdom.

    "Liberal", "Conservative",
    For change or status quo?
    Pick either one, the change is none,
    All charlatans and whores.

    Far "Left" we place the Anarchists,
    Libertarians claim far "Right";
    Yet both decry the government:
    False continuum brought to light.

    For oil, "We" bomb their mud huts,
    Strip them bare, then offer "Aid";
    And fake their retribution as
    Pretext - a false flag raised.

    Unarmed hundred thousands killed
    By weapons of "Defense",
    While rights are lost for "Freedom" sake -
    On profit, all depends.

    With stroke of pen, the "Patriot" Act,
    And patriots' gifts are taken;
    Then "Citizens United" leaves
    Our citizens forsaken.

    We protest loss of liberties,
    Put "World Wide Web" to use;
    Cloudmark Authority censors us
    For "messaging abuse".

    They label us to finger-point,
    With labels, "They" deride us;
    Their labels keep us all at bay,
    For with labels, "They" divide us.

    http://ldrlongdistancerider.com


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    JOIN THE GLOBAL REVOLUTION!

    Occupy Wall Street/OWS:

    http://occupywallst.org/

    Occupy DC/Stop the Machine:

    http://october2011.org/

    Occupy Together:

    http://occupytogether.org/

    Watch these Videos:

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    Take this Pledge:

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    How many examples of greed and corruption must you see before you act?

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    Forced Labor Camps to drive a war machine for Greater Germania isn't Capitalism.
     
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    Hitler was a big government socialist/fascist (a combination). Sorry. He believed in total government control of business. He hated free enterprise.
     
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    And he hated Jews. And Gypsies. And Poles. And cripples. And commies.
     
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    But helping and fueling the war machine, along with its racist driven mission to exterminate Jews and other unworthy people is wrong. And it was Capitalistic greed that fueled it.

    And they were more then "forced labor camps".
     
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    And .... doctors, lawyers, clergy, professors.. anyone with an education because Hitler had NONE.
     
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    Read the Nuremberg Laws and get back to me.. You are assuming that I don't get it.

    Capitalism? NO Nazism which was a screwy compound of Marxism and Socialism.
     
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    lol I assume you do not get it. Its just very hard for you.

    Its okay Margot
     
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    More Occupy Wall Street insanity?

    IBM did business all over the world before and after the war.

    They are not responsible for what Hitler did.
     
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    The history of the 20th century is clear- socialism kills.


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    Hitler was the consummate liar and went after anyone who had an education.. to include clergy, lawyers, professors, scientists and doctors.

     
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    Posting your repetitive screed and trying to denigrate capitalism with your lying smear campaign loses you any credibility on any matter. You deserve the treatment of all trolls. To the Iggy bin with you.
     
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    I guess this means we can blame the typewriter for abortions.....
     
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    Seems you are more stuck on the holocaust then on the actual subject of the thread.

    even though you are horribly wrong and Clergy, lawyers, professors, scientists and docters were not hunted down like the Jews were. Nor did they have laws against them as the Jews did. And neither was the death camps set up for them, or a "final solution" proposed against them. Only the Jews.

    And we all know Doctors, scientists and professors worked very close to the Nazis in Germany.
     
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    As much as capitalism?
     
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    More. Much more.


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    That is a lie. Much more death has resulted from the capitalistic greed of the west, especially America.
     
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    Total drivel. Who financed Hitler? Big business. Does big business support socialism? No, big business does not support socialism. Why did Jackboots call himself a socialist then? Because capitalism was so totally unpopular he had to - but then, only right-wing Americans have ever taken him seriously, because they don't know anything whatever about socialism.
     
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    More, Much More:

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    Oh yeah they were.. as soon as Hitler invaded Austria.. he went after anyone with an education..

    And so many doctors, professors, lawyers and scientists WERE Jews..
     
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    Learn these words: STATE CAPITALISM. It is a system where the state becomes, in effect, a large firm on the capitalist market. Unlike socialism it gives the working class no power, as in the American monopoly version also.
     
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    OWS wants more government control of business, which is exactly what we had under Stalin, Mao and Hitler. I guess that was utopia.
     
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    IBM's role in this was definitely capitalistic though.

    Hitler's rise to power would have basically been impossible without support from German industrialists. The support he got from foreign industrialists (like IBM) was just icing on the cake.

    It's especially entertaining to read some of the history of people like Fritz Thyssen, who went from supporting Hitler in the beginning to rejecting him later. It makes you wonder how they couldn't see it coming with respect to Hitler's powermongering and growing oppression.

    And while many historical accounts seem to paint a more forgiving picture of German industrialists than one would normally expect, these companies didn't exactly reject the slave labor they were given access to.

    When considering how much modern capitalism relies on sweatshop labor, slave labor comes to mind.
     
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    Is "state capitalism" the new politically correct term for fascism these days?
     
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    So was Joe Kennedy's role.. Hitler was NOT a capitalist.

    Do you know then "slave labor" took over and American Industrialists bowed out?
     

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