Turkish PM apologizes over 1930s killings of Kurds

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    ANKARA, Turkey (AP) - Turkey's prime minister has apologized for the first time for the killings of nearly 14,000 people in a bombing and strafing campaign to crush a Kurdish rebellion in the 1930s

    Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Wednesday: "If there is need for an apology on behalf of the state ... I would apologize and I am apologizing."

    It was the first official apology from the Turkish government over the killings of 13,806 people in the southeastern town of Dersim _ now known as Tunceli _ between 1936 and 1939.

    Erdogan was responding to demands from Kemal Kilicdaroglu, the leader of the main opposition Republican People's Party that Turkey must face its past. Kilicdaroglu's family is rooted in Tunceli.

    Erdogan said Kilicdaroglu must also apologize because his party was in power at the time.

    (Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)


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    good move this should be followed by compensations to those families who were killed and their properties destroyed .
     
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    whats about the last Kurdish rebellion?

    "Erdogan said Kilicdaroglu must also apologize because his party was in power at the time." +1
     
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    To my knowledge, Erdogan is apologizing to 'Alavis' and not to 'Kurds', he does not mention the word 'Kurd' in his statement. Another Erdogan's way of twisting and fabricating the history. He should come clean and apologize for the Kurdish and Armenian genocides.
     
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    yeah , and it took them 80 years to apologize and might take another 80 to compensate the affected families . the best way would be giving back north kurdistan which turkey still occupies .
     
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    here is some good info why he apologizes

     
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    The 1930s operations seemed to be either complete Turkification or complete destruction of Dersim, indiscriminate bombardment by Turkish artillery and plains were capable to annihilate Dersim and its debilitated population.
    Sabiha, the adopted daughter of Ataturk, looks very gratified of the gigantic bombs she dropped on Dersim.
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    sound like mini-Armenia to me , why PM says sorry to the Kurds but not the Armenians?

    ps like a bad move... but its a truestory

    "According to Hıdır Göktaş, in March 1937, Turkish troops came to Uhundu village from Tülük village, Mehmet Ali Menteş, a member of Yusufan tribe invited them to his house. Since a young officer attempted to rape Mehmet Ali's young and beautiful wife, Mehmet Ali shot both of them to death to protect namus and wounded two soldiers. After this affair Mehmet Ali and his brothers left village to escape. When they passed Pah Bridge, they removed several wooden board from the bridge to delay the follow-up activities of soldiers. Turkish authority proclaimed that Dersim tribes rebelled and burned a bridge.[22]

    Turkish soldiers came to Kamer Aga, chieftain of Yusufan tribe, and want him to deliver Mehmet Ali. A Turkish colonel said to Kamer Aga Deliver suspects, otherwise we will set fire to your village. Kamer Aga responded to a colonel that Mehmet Ali only reacted to officer's attempt to rape his wife and rejected the delivery of Mehmet Ali.[22]"
     
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    That apology is Erdogan's attempt to change the direction of the Turkish political scene.Doesnt mean anything for Turkish nation.

    Dersim was under feudalism for more than 150 years and the tribes refused to adopt the new changes that came with republic regime.Before incidents started there were attacks to gendarme outposts by armed rebels and almost 300 soldiers died.

    When there is an uprising that aims to destroy your country's unity the only way to deal with it is using force.Because we are not talking about a few neighbourhood bullies.There is an armed rebellion of thousands with help of British and French.Innocent people always suffer from the acts of decision makers.It became a trend to put everything into "genocide" category.
     
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    Ignoring Armenian genocide is a true true and true shame, endless shame, nevertheless Erdogan's apology refers to 'Alavis' and not to the 'Kurds'. It is like Germans aplogize to Ashkinazis and not to Jews.
     
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    Armenian genocide is an imperialist lie.Thats why insecure Armenians didnt open their archives until this day to prove their claims.But Turkey's archives are all open and until today Turkey has more than 1 million documents ready to get studied.

    Those archives clearly indicates how Armenian Tashnak gangs murdered more than 500.000 Turks in Anatolia between 1910-1922.The names of the villages and villagers and how they were killed are written in detail.Getting parliamentary decisions for political pressure means nothing.Just like Erdogan's amateur apology.

    Also the Armenians that lost their lives during deportation were murdered mostly by kurdish Hamidian regiments and by Arabic tribes on the road.Hamidian regiments were formed by Ottoman goverment to maintain order in the region but later they refused to return their weapons and tried capture the lands and properties of deported Armenians.As a result,you can repeat your fabricated genocide claims 1000 times but it wont change anything.
     
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    why is only you(turks) and Azeris buy this concept? where are all the leftish western liberals?
     
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    1 agree
    2 it means a lot,- my guess it WAS A VERY FIRST TIME IN TURKISH HISTORY...
     
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    @ litwin

    You cant see any western european talking like me usualy because they are the ones that invent the genocides by writing their own versions of history,teaching them to their kids at school.Thats why average european mentions armenians,kurds,human rights right away like programed robots when Turkey's name is mentioned because nothing different gets injected to their minds.

    If you are looking for a genocide,read what armenians did to Azeri Turks during Karabagh war in Khojaly.You cant see that in western school history books or you can never hear european commission talking about it.Because they dont have a reason to use it politicaly against Armenia.

    The fact is you can not see any armenian accepting something they did to Turks or someone else.Because the possibility of their ancesstors might have done something bad too is not under consideration for them.They even talk about how they killed Turks with joy mostly and see the ones who did it as heroes.Just like how some of these poor brainwashed kurds see pkk terrorists.

    So,why to apologize from anyone for something when you dont get anything similar from the other sides?
     
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    as a ultra - kemslist you ll never accept the facts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide_recognition and good news here that people like you will never get into power again

    Azeri Turks...your pan - turkic terminology is funny
     
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    LoL is that all you understood from all those things I wrote.Thats the only response you can come up with? It seems you are just another programed mind.For your information,Azeris are Turks too.

    That Wikipedia page doesnt mean anything for me because parliamentary decisions from various countries for political pressure can not decide history.
     
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    Dersim genocide


    massing hangings

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    And the last picture belongs to Turkish women and children murdered by Armenian gangs in 25th April 1918 in Subatan.Doesnt belong to Dersim incidents.
     
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    As it can be seen,4 of the pictures that was posted as "Dersim" turned out to be fake (for this particular matter of subject).The others except 1-2 of them look suspicious too.Trying to insult a country with random photos picked from Google.
     
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    lol yeah yeah , turks never committed any genocides it is kurds and Armenians who did genocides towards turks , and Erdogan is just making things up ,right ???

    some of you turks are just too hypocrite and too kemalist to admit any of your criminal history .
     
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    No need to get upset because an educated person corrected your mistakes.

    Adding some political terms to your sentences to label people wont make you win arguments and make you seem more intelligent in internet.

    If you are looking for a criminal.Better focus to your own society.Because you mostly dont have anything else except rebellions and betrayal.Now you promote the prices you payed as being the victims of everything.
     
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    Hi Alan

    It has been a long time for Turkey to face with her past.Good move thanks PM Erdoğan....

    As a Turk,I also personally apolgize from Dersim people..
    I wish such things never happen again.....
     
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    Hi Dibege

    I hope eveything goes well with you....

    Your comment is a little bit strange cos those Alawis are Kurds at the same time....

    There are Sunni Kurds and Alawi Kurds,as well.

    I also wish a more brave and more general apology but it is also a great success for Turkish Political life and democracy....
     

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