When Will Fascism Become Socially Acceptable in America?

Also any ideas on how to deprogram the conditioned masses that it can be beneficial to our society if applied correctly.

 

No time soon, cuz we're gonna kick Obama's ass outta the White House.

 

Well I think that fascism is already accepted in USA, but not openly. Normally the fascism is showed as conservatist, but in reality is fascism.

And fascism never should be tolerated. never.

 

You would have to be conditioned to think that it is acceptable. What are the possible benefits of fascism? If applied correctly, Fascism is a threat to the existence of life itself. I think this thread is a gag.

 

Fascism is just a cussword for Marxists, socialists and communists to use against any of their political adversaries. (i.e. Ant-abortion activists, Christians, Catholics, Sanctity of marriage proponents, and anti-cultural marxists) It was a convenient mute button for some time. Soon, your days will be numbered. The youth will learn about what you people have done to the West.

 

We'll see what happens in this election. The bailouts in 2008 / 2009 were the most blatantly fascist moves that could have been taken...both by neo-conservative and liberal Presidents. If Ron Paul does not get elected President, we can definitely say that 2008 was the year that fascism became socially acceptable in America.

Of course, it's not CALLED fascism openly; that's too politically incorrect and offensive. We wouldn't want to offend Obama by suggesting that he is a fascist. But to the people who know what's going on, we know what it really is.

 

Yeah, youth will learn how conservative wants to go backwards, what always have been known as reactionary force. Oh wait and fascism is reactionary and is defending exactly the same that conservative:

- Strong nation, patriotism
- Anti-abortion
- Pro death penalty
- Stronger army
- Stronger immigration laws
- Pro-Christianism
- Xenophoby against dfferent cultures, religion,...

And more...

Where they in theory differ is in economic organization fascism is directly corporativist, conservatism in theory not so much, in practice exactly the same.

So, if you defend all that that I've said you're clearly fascist.

 

The economic component of facsism is just the middle ground between capitalism and socialism, so you're not far off! But when you have a voter base who the majority seem to not even know what the hell is going you can't call it social acceptance. You need to know what you voted for at least, not just the person's skin color.

 

Well I think that there are more dangerous wannabe POTUS than Obama. Though he is quite fascist, I agree.

And why do you say 2008? I think that fascism is acceptable more before than 2008, Bush, Clinton... were already some way fascist.

 

Well, if you accept the definition that fascism is the marriage of state and corporate, fascism is at an all time high under Obama. Large corporations love big government, as they can use government to force their products on the rest of us, secure advantages over their competition through legislation, or get bailed out. Given the media's backing of Obama and attempt to silence opposition under him on top of the rampant crony capitalism, Obama's probably the closest we've had to a fascist leader since FDR.

If you think fascism is a form of government lacking a soul crushing welfare state, well... LOL. Do the unwashed progressives who throw around that word even have a working definition for fascism? They seem to regard any form of authority that prevents them from looting what they want from who ever they want as fascist.

Kilgram, define fascism for me.

 

I did, no?

Nationalist, authoritarian, pro-death penalty, pro-tortures, stronger laws against terrorism(authoritarism), corporativist, racist, xenophobist, ultrarreligious,... If you fit in that definition then you're fascist.

 

pro-death penalty? ultra-religious? Lol? Niether of those two have anything to do with historical fascist movements.

Don't forget, fascism is anti-economic liberalism.

Fascists believe in economic central planning, national socialism, and an expansive welfare state.

 

I agree that Obama is not the worst case scenerio, but he isn't far from it. Neither are all of the Republican candidates (except Ron Paul).

That's true, but it wasn't really concious in the public mind. Really, within the past 5 years, the fascism has become blatant and open. 2008 was when they really started coming out in the open, with the blatant corruption, cronyism, and bailouts, etc. Alot of Americans have woken up to this....even those who voted for Obama.

 

I've read all the definitions of fascism and none seem satisfactory. My own definition has to do with a country's political elites (whatever their leaning) banding together with the country's financial, military and industrial elites to impose their will on that country and, if necessary, the rest of the world. Fascism can be beneficial to the majority. I'm not sure that we're not already fascist or that we haven't been fascist since the founding of the empire.

 

I would suggest the majority of people on this thread would benefit from reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

The thread and most of its responses are simply tragic. The first response being the highest on the tragic-ometer.

 

Fascism has many forms. And I've defined fascism according to the positions of the actual fascist parties, mainly of Spain.

And the fascist parties share the positions of the neoconservatists except in one point(and some of them) that are clearly anti-capitalist.

 

I have broadly agreed with you posts. But when I head people imply Obama is a fascist and a bunch of other stuff, I feel the need to step in

 

From your wiki-link;

See: Big Fed's and GSE's Fannie/Freddie's forced manipulation of the mortgage lending market/industry.

See: General Motors takeover.

See: Bank bailouts.

See: Cash for Clunkers/appliances/caulkers.

See: Government / "green" industry cronyism.

See: just open your eyes and look around....we're already waist deep in economic fascism.

 

Well, you must consider that the American economy always had had some economic components of fascism. Also for disgrace Obama is quite authoritarian, having under his government imprisoned people without trial, like Manning, Guantanamo is not closed, secret prisons around the world...

 

Uhh, maybe you should read that link.

Obama has been pushing national socialism and national corporatism along with central planning and an expansive welfare state, the economic tennents of fascism.

 

History teaches us that fascism and socialism have common roots in central economic planning and the power of the state over the individual. As governmental control increases in the United States and our liberties are eroded, this becomes a major concern for the future. The fact that almost 50% of Americans have an 'entitlement' mentality and welcome big government into their lives is scary.

 

In some way nonsense. And for good luck people like some social protection. I don't imagine a world without social protection like the dystopic one defended by free marketeers.

But that doesn't remove the fact that trust so much in an authority it can derivate to fascism.

 

Why do you believe there would not be social protections in a free-market economy?

 

When Pedophelia is a Protected Alternative Lifestyle

 

Since fascism requires a dictator, the correct answer to the poll question is "never". There will not be a time in the future where a government led by an actual dictator is acceptable to most Americans.