The Ron Paul Newsletters

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    The Ron Paul Newsletters

    Welcome to the top, Mr. Paul. Looks like you're finally going to have to explain your past.

    He hated Reagan (despite running a pro-reagan political ad), and now I've just learned hated Lincoln. While dozens of racist and anti-semite newsletters were circulating in his name for more that 5 years, he claims to have never known about them. His current writings are often featured on on racist and anti-semetic websites, and he's refused to speak out against it, even when pushed to by jewish conservatives.

    If I give him the benefit of the doubt he is at minimum incredibly incompetent. He believes 9-11 was an inside job. Defended Iran's right to nuclear weapons and then claimed he'd use friendship to persuade them from producing them. And people say he never flip flops!

    But I'm thankful he's had this brief moment in the spotlight. He'll finally have to answer for his past—something the media was hoping to delay until after the primary was complete.

    The Ron Paul Newsletters
    By JEFFREY LORD on 12.15.11 @ 2:08PM


    Yesterday, during a discussion on Ron Paul with Sean Hannity on the latter's radio show, Hannity brought up with me the impossible-to-get around subject of the infamous Ron Paul Newsletters.
    As Hannity quite correctly pointed out, with the other GOP candidates having received the political equivalent of an anal exam, somehow Ron Paul has escaped notice.

    No more.

    While I think the lack of attention has been due to the fact that many did not take him seriously, a justifiable complaint from his supporters, I have tried to do just that in this space. And in doing so launched a fusillade of angry response from Paul supporters that, peculiarly, never seems forthcoming when I criticize Gingrich/Romney/Perry/Huntsman etc etc.

    But as we head into this last debate of the season, Hannity has raised an excellent point. The higher Ron Paul goes, as with his fellow candidates who have floated to the top previously, the scrutiny will intensify. And Ron Paul will have to seriously answer.

    To refresh, Reason magazine came out with a detailed piece on the Paul newsletters back in 2008. The piece was written by reporters Julian Sanchez and David Weigel.

    The article was as disturbing as it was alarming.

    Here, according to Reason, was a potential Republican nominee for president who had for whatever rationale acquiesced to having a newsletter sent out under his name that used the most vile of racist language. To wit, this from the May 22nd Dallas Morning News in 1996:

    Dr. Ron Paul, a Republican congressional candidate from Texas, wrote in his political newsletter in 1992 that 95 percent of the black men in Washington, D.C., are "semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

    And this, from the Houston Chronicle on May 23, 1996:

    ...we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.
    And this from the Austin American-Statesman, also on May 23, 1996:
    Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions.

    Look.

    One can, unfortunately, go on and on and on here with this story and various appalling quotes.

    But since we are busy doing political proctology exams on all these candidates, and Congressman Paul has mostly escaped the examination, it's past time for discussion and explanations. Were Ron Paul the GOP nominee the liberal media would pounce within micro seconds, so better that the questions come here and from Sean Hannity and Mark Levin and others on the conservative side.

    It has to be said there is a disturbing pattern that appears with the Paul proctology. Quite aside from his decidedly McGovernite foreign policy pronouncements ("Come Home America" as McGovern used to say) there are other serious signs of leftism in the Ron Paul world view. Whether it's the appalling statements on race (and there are more) made either by Paul himself or someone on Paul's newsletter writing team in his behalf and under his name -- this has nothing whatsoever to do with conservatism. This isn't Ronald Reagan much less Edmund Burke. This is sheer progressivism -- the domestic version of progressive sentiments that match like a glove with a McGovernite foreign policy.

    Mark Levin has taken all kinds of heat for exposing this business over the last few months. The sheer nuttiness of the Abraham Lincoln was a tyrant/James Madison and the Founding Fathers never intervened anywhere stuff, the latter flatly untrue. Not to mention the and-oh-by-the-way-pay-no-attention-to-all that-anti-Semitic-stuff that trails the Paul candidacy like the little cloud of dirt that used to follow the Peanuts cartoon character Pigpen around.

    Pigpen, as a matter of fact, once said of all the dirt following him around: "Being dirty is a practical matter...I'm never bothered by girls or mosquitos."
    In the world of presidential politics, a political version of this has been following Ron Paul around for years, which is why he was never bothered by serious seekers of Republican presidents or the media.

    Yesterday, Sean Hannity took Ron Paul seriously -- and respectfully so, just as he has done with all the other candidates. Mark Levin has been seriously examining this situation for a long time.

    Now...as Iowa approaches and Ron Paul rises in the polls...so will others.

    Stay tuned.
     
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    A progressive neocon calling Ron Paul progressive? How terrible! Paul doesn't support more warfare, particularly unconstitutional warfare, around the world and welfare at home!
     
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    Nice. You completely ignored every point in the OP, and threw out meaningless insults. Typical cultist Paul supporter.
     
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    So what kind of backbone or Face would a Ron Paul Presidency
    in Foreign Affairs constitute.With many places like China and
    the Middle East having a huge tradition of Keeping Face.
     
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    Frankly, it would be the type that would justify the reelection of Obama. As badly as the economy would deteriorate, at least we be safer under him than under Paul. Not that there is a huge difference, but he would be the lesser of 2 evils.
     
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    Paul is a pure as the snow as far as Politics go , Newts the dirty dog you should be questioning .
     
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    He doesn't believe 9/11 was an inside job. He said we provoked the attacks - but he never has it was an inside job.

    He was one of a few congressman to support Reagan when he first started running for President. Once Reagan changed his views, he said he would not support Reagan. Reagan went against many things he originally said he was going to do... He raised taxes, grew the IRS, introduced urine testing w/o probably cause. He was pro-Reagan, but became anti-Reagan once Reagan stopped being conservative.

    Iran does have the right to have a nuclear bomb. They are surrounded by countries that have nuclear bombs and most likely feel threatened. Ron Paul says that instead of bombing Iran, killing their people, and starting a war, we should instead try diplomacy.

    I guess it doesn't make sense for warmongers to actually talk to other countries...

    These racist writings are not something new. They came up during his 2008 campaign. The racist writings were not written by him. They were, however, published in his paper.

    I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name. - Ron Paul

    Not sure what to say about that one except for the fact that he doesn't support these ideas, and no one has ever heard him say these things. Unless there is an interview where Paul is saying these things, it is not a very big issue.
     
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    Meaningless insults? They may be insults, but they aren't meangingless. I don't see why you would have a problem with that, as you posted a polemic full of ad hominem and innuendo.

    Mr. Lord clearly believes that the state should be above all and that is a progressive value. As he claims to be a conservative, then he would be within in the neoconservative camp, which is made up of progressives who prefer a strong American presence and dominance throughout the world. The point of the OP was to call Ron Paul a progressive, which is clearly ridiculous as nothing he says or does is at all in line with progressive values.

    As for your remark about "cultists", aside from the irony of complaining about insults and in the same breath leveling your own insults, the nature of your insult is patently absurd. Cultists are known for several things (Warning signs of a cult

    - Absolute authoritarianism
    - No tolerance for critical thought or inquiry.
    - Unreasonable fear of the outside world
    - There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.

    Ron Paul has to work hard to get the trust of libertarians and true conservatives because they are naturally suspect of any authority. Your average progressive, on the other hand, fawns over authority and any questioning of that authority outside of very narrow, "accepted" parameters requires smearing of the character and marginalizing of those who dare question the status quo.
     
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    You gotta have a good feeling about a guy like Ron Paul, when neocons and statist on the left feel so threatened by him.
     
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    I don't disagree with those specific points from Ron Paul's newsletters. Black men do commit more violent crime and rape than other groups. It's not a politically correct thing to point out, but Government statistics don't lie.

    Ron Paul did not support Reagan's actions in defeating the Soviets during the 80's. Ron Paul believes we provoked 9/11 and that Islam presents no danger to the country. Ron Paul believes we can reason with the insane regime in Iran. As much as I agree with many as his economic views, his foreign policy is too wrong for me to support him. Many Ron Paul supporters on this board indicate that they disagree with Ron Paul on foreign policy, but like his other policies so much they still support him. I don't share their position. Iran, China, and the Islamic world in general are threats too big for us to ignore and try to appease, and this will be more true in the coming decade.

    Many Ron Paul supporters are simply engaging in hero worship. It's not a cult of personality, because there is not enough media propaganda to call it that, but it's hero worship. Not all Ron Paul supporters fall into this category, but many do (and they probably know who they are).
     
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    This thread is effectively a duplicate of another on the same topic which already existed, and has therefore been closed.
     
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