States Loosen Concealed Carry Laws, Stir Debate

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  1. SpotsCat

    SpotsCat New Member Past Donor

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    From USA Today --

    Guess it's time to go get my Enhanced Concealed Carry license!
     
  2. Hjalmar Thorsson

    Hjalmar Thorsson Banned

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    LMAO

    That quote is hilarious. I can just picture some whiny little limpwristed liberal on the verge of tears as he says "The gun lobby won't stop" like he's telling on someone.

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  3. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    In terms of the lobby's support for coercive losses, its not quite stand-up quality
     
  4. Bondo

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    Ayuh,... A threat, that can't be found,...

    As crime, in general drops, 'n gun crime, in particular, drops even faster...
     
  5. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Why do you make these claims when you know that you don't use the available evidence? We can forgive the NRA- an evidence based approach would be their enemy- but individuals really should do better!
     
  6. Bondo

    Bondo Well-Known Member

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    Ayuh,... 'n Why do you continue to tryin' drag all these threads off topic with yer jibber jabber,..??

    I stated My Opinion,....

    Why don't You try that sometime... On topic of course...
     
  7. Bondo

    Bondo Well-Known Member

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    Btw,.... As it says on the bumper sticker on my beat up pickup truck,...

    " I am the NRA, 'n I Vote "
     
  8. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    So you can't actually support that opinion with evidence?
     
  9. Bondo

    Bondo Well-Known Member

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    Again,... yer tryin' to drag this OFF TOPIC....

    Again,... Do YOU actually have an OPINION,..??

    Or are you going to continue parrotin' the Progressive's talking points,..??
     
  10. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Nope. I've responded to your comment and asked you to support it with evidence. You've of course presented none. So we can conclude that you've given unsupported opinion...
     
  11. Bondo

    Bondo Well-Known Member

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    Ayuh,... Atleast I Have an Opinion...

    Kinda like Common Sense,... Yer lacking in Both....
     
  12. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    An unsupportable opinion? Two a penny!
     
  13. Bondo

    Bondo Well-Known Member

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    I'm still waiting for Your Opinion,.................................................
     
  14. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Already given it. You're not being very observant today! Try turning the light on
     
  15. Bondo

    Bondo Well-Known Member

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    You've made NO comments on the topic, just about everybody else's opinions...
     
  16. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    <<< Mod Edit: Flamebaiting >>> I've referred to the need for evidence-based policy making that considers, in particular, coercive costs. Why do you think the idea of evidence is so disagreeable to the pro-gun brigade?
     
  17. Bondo

    Bondo Well-Known Member

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    Ayuh,... So yer Opinion is about how an opinion is reached, 'n you have NO Opinion on the topic of this thread is what yer sayin'....

    Ok,... I got ya now,.........:ignore:
     
  18. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    <<< Mod Edit: Flamebaiting >>> Why do you think the idea of evidence is so disagreeable to the pro-gun brigade? I'll ignore any dodge or directionless noise of course
     
  19. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    I believe the following really represents the problem.

    He doesn't "like the idea" but expresses no foundation for disliking it.

    Think of these simple facts.

    All individuals that have concealed weapons permits voluntarily subject themselves to a law enforcement background checks.

    After 9/11 the US government embarked on a very expensive path to provide for security on commercial airlines while there were millions of Americans that has voluntarily submitted themselves to these background checks and many of those were former members of the US military.

    Millions of American that had these concealed weapons permits would have paid to take any training course specific to the use of a firearm on an airliner to address a terrorist threat and would have carried firearms for that purpose whenever they flew at their own expense.

    In spite of fears to the contrary a person with a handgun cannot shoot down a commercial airliner they're on.

    We, the American People, could have and would have provided all of the security necessary for the protection against terrorist attacks aboard commercial airliners without the US government spending a dime for that protection.
     
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    I wonder how these people below would feel about that comment?

    [​IMG]
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    If you do the research yourself instead of counting on the NRA, you will find this to be simply not true.

    Guns have no effect on crime. Poverty does.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Poverty has a huge impact on crime as well as prohibition laws. Much of the violent crimes relates to prohibition laws. We saw that in the 1920's and 1930's related to alcohol prohibition and since then related to drug prohibition. Often the two, povery and prohibition, go hand-in-hand because the poor are more willing to break the laws to make a buck especially if their "crime" is a victimless crime such as drug sales.
     
  23. Reiver

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    That isn't supported by the evidence. Whilst we can dismiss specific claims (e.g. Grambsch [2008, Regression to the Mean, Murder Rates, and Shall-Issue Laws, American Statistician, Vol. 62, pp 289-295] rejects shall-issue laws have beneficial effects in reducing murder rates), the majority of research cannot reject the 'more guns=more crime' hypothesis (e.g. Gius [2009, The effect of gun ownership rates on homicide rates: a state-level analysis, Applied Economics Letters, Vol. 16, pp 1687-1690])
     
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    Interestingly enough, when I bought my original Mississippi Concealed Carry license, they didn't mention a thing about the "more guns = more crime" hypothesis. They told me about a dozen places I couldn't carry my pistol concealed - schools, colleges, bars, churches, police stations, and a few others - but they never mentioned anything about "coercive losses".

    They merely took my money, ran me through an FBI background check, took my picture, and gave me a license.

    Strange how that works...
     
  25. Reiver

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    I've made a distinction between concealed carry (which tends to find no effects, except in very specific analysis such as negative effects for workplace safety) and more general analysis into gun effects. All supported by evidence of course
     

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