Did the gop fall into this trap?

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  1. I justsayin

    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    They had to bend and give up the tax extensions. They now look like they just cave in to anything but they seemed out smarted. What happened.
     
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    Black Monarch New Member

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    Wait, what?
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    where have you been? check the news then respond please. it's common knowledge.
     
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    Beevee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which is why there will not be much comment from conservatives who just hate their GOP to capitulate, even if it will help save the country from themselves.
     
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    Lefties are praising tax cut extensions now?

    Congrats, you've come a long ways.
     
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    You mean fiscal conservatives are supposed to support changing SS into a full fledged welfare program?
     
  7. Black Monarch

    Black Monarch New Member

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    Explain what the bloody hell you're talking about, then respond please.
     
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    These tax cuts weren't rich people tax cuts but affected the middle class by like $40 a week.
     
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    i havnt really followed the past two-three days after the house squabble over the original bill but i beleive this happened:

    The Senate republicans offered 2 months instead of the one year democrants wanted thinking the democrats wouldnt accept it unless it was a year. Instead the democrats called the republican bluff and voted for the two month extension with republcians.

    The house republicans, caught with their pants down trying to block it in the house are now forced to vote on the republcian measure the senate sent over.
     
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    The GOP knew that payroll tax hikes in the first paycheck Americans will get in 2012, would be bad politics, and they know they'd get blamed.

    The mistake Boehner and his merry band are making is trying to hold those unemployment extensions and payroll tax cut extensions in one hand, while trying to shake the Democrats down with the other...trying to wring out every last other thing they can get out of it.

    But then they lost support from Tea Partiers, and on the other end Karl Rove threw him under the bus.

    Boehner is going to have to put away the nine inch nails, at least for Christmas time.

    If he wouldn't have...he'd probably have gotten a visit from the ghosts of Xmas past, present, and future this weekend
     
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    Boehner needs to go. He's been a disaster as Speaker. This was another example.
     
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    Beevee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I mean that conservatives will do whatever John Boehner tells them to do.
     
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    Obama and the Democrats are setting a political minefield for the GOP, hoping that they step on a few before the 2012 election. Obama has nothing to run on, so he can only sabotage, at this point.

    Liberals showed us how hypocritical they are, with this issue. For years they whined about the importance of getting back to Clinton's tax structure, but the second they found out this tax was going to affect them, they fought tooth and nail against it. Liberals only want taxes when they aren't the ones being taxed.
     
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    They'd just replace him with possibly someone worse, like Peter King, or some other idiot
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Obviously you're not up to date like everyone else posting on this thread. Please don't respond again to my thread. This is an informational thread, not a please explain to Black Monarch thread. I would like your imput once you get caught up on current issues though. Thank you for your time.
     
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    What most simplestines dun't understand is Obama is playing the conservitive idologies and having the conservatives vote against their own idologies, and he plays the liberals and has the liberals voting for conservative idologies.

    In the end Obama is laughing at all the GOP fools and the lame democrats. Obama has the democraps confused on what he is about, and has the republotars and t-baggers voting against conservative idologies and still calling Obama a liberal socialist. LOL

    He is making conservatives hate theri own idologies.

    And making liberals stupified on why he is proposing conservative idology.

    LOL. He is playing both parties and making conservatives hate themselves.
     
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    Sounds like leadership to me...
     
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    Obama is doing what the Conservatives claimed to be doing all along. Conservatives were cutting taxes for the wealthiest of Americans at the expense of the remaining 98%. Obama is working the flipside to that and forcing the Conservatives to expose their actual agenda. I think it's a brilliant strategy.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Not saying I agree with the politics, but I saw this coming a few months ago but really didn't think the gop would let it get this far. The one thing I thought they could calculate was that they would not want to (*)(*)(*)(*) off the tp. The gop was already split because of the rep and tp had idealogical differences. Then they basically forced the tp to turn on them. This is a marriage that cannot work. The tp cannot get the full support of the rep and visa versa. This is very interesting.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    That's his greatest strength. Is setting them up so no matter what they say they come off looking like liars. I am not saying they are, but they seem to not be able to get around how he does these things. Right now they don't have much to fall back on.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    When he beat the Clintons it was obvious he is the best saleman/talker in politics. So I am not surprised he has both parties paralized. This is not necessarily good or bad for the country, but it makes for a good study of politics.
     
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    Obama is essentially pushing to the right in order to force the Republicans to take positons that are increasingly far right. He ultimately hope they fall over the edge and given the inanity of the current Republican candidates they very well may do so. I do think however that Obama has missed the idea of the shifting centre, moving the right (and pushing the Republicans) may simply move what the populace thinks as the centre. For my own part I can only conclude that either Obama is bought and sold or the Tea-Party was right and Obama is a communist and therefore in order to bring down capitalism in America he is pursuing the very policies that would do so, i.e. Republican policies. One can dream.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Good point. it does make me think then how do rep vote against him if he is doing what they want? What they would ultimately do. If they do then they are exposing themselves publicly towards another agenda. And I'm talking us normal citizens and rep in politics. There's almost no way around it.
     
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    Thankfully I don't have the dilemma of deciding who to vote for (not being from the U.S.) but I would be sorely torn.

    Obama is the lesser of two evils (as he is angling to be) but I feel a vote for him would just continue the slow death. A vote for a Republican might push the U.S. over the edge (and thus the process of rebuilding may begin). Also, if a Republican president were in power and attempted many of the things Obama has done they would be severely opposed by the left (the democrats are centre-right). With Obama in power those who would be left are stripped of the will to protest and knowing this Obama pushes a right-wing agenda. One is almost tempted to vote Ron Paul in the knowledge that he would collapse the U.S. economy. However I feel fascism would take root in the U.S. much faster than any reasonable left-wing alternative and so it would be a dangerous game to play.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Wow, I didn't think of it that way. But I agree with him angling to be the less of two evils. Very interesting. Well anwser this, why can't republicans see this? Or better yet why haven't they been successful against him and struggle with beating him to the punch? I mean some of this is just simple.
     

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