Obama Administration's War Against The Second Amendment...

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  1. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Obama Administration is laying low when it comes to the issue of gun control. As Obama likes to say, "make no mistake", his Administration is anti-gun and anti-Second Amendment. They will go into full swing on this issue if he gets re-elected. He has promised his anti-gun constituents that he will be working "under the radar" on this. If re-elected, he will go mainstream.

    Right now, the Supreme Court is just one Justice away from eradicating the Second Amendment. If he gets the chance in the next term to appoint another Justice, the Second Amendment, our rights, and our freedoms, will suffer.

    Please take the time to read this:

    Obama's Secret Plan To Destroy The Second Amendment By 2016
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    The real issue are the authoritarians on the right forcing irrational policy change, surely? They destroy the chances of individualism after all
     
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    Democrats are anti 2A (It's in their DNA) :bored:
     
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    First of all, how can one "force" more Constitutionally-protected freedom upon the populace? Second of all, how are these congressmen "authoritarians" when they were elected into office by their constituents? Third, how is adhering to the Constitution "irrational"? Lastly, how does trying to expand the 2nd Amendment to reflect its original meaning act to "destroy individualism?"
     
  5. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hmmm.

    I m not sure I understand.

    the link says that I need an NRA card to fight something, but it does not say what that something is.

    To "eradicate" the 2nd, there would have to be a new constitutional amendment, which is not done by the USSC but rather the legislative branch.
     
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    Come now, we know that this isn't actually about the constitution, but what authoritarians tell you about the constitutions. See Winkler (2007, Scrutinising the 2nd Amendment, Michigan Law Review, Vol 105 Issue 4, pp 683-733).

    The authoritarian personality is an unfortunate feature impinging on both pressure group and the herd.

    See above! The Constitution doesn't demand irrationality. The authoritarians demand a Constitution that is irrational

    Those against rational gun control are against individualism, by definition. They use the constitution to hide from that reality. It works well unfortunately and its a shame to see Americans so easily twisted away from the brilliance of individualism
     
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    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am going to have to disagree.

    Whilst there are some Democrats that are against the proliferation of guns, there is at least one, myself, who is really into slinging some lead.
     
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    Where does the author, Adam Winkler, mention "right-wing authoritarians?" I cannot seem to find that part in the article.

    Your interpretation of a "authoritarian" advocating for more freedoms is silly, and this warped definition is the exact opposite of the true meaning of the term.

    Where does the author refer to the Founding Fathers or anyone who agrees with their original definition of the RTKBA as "irrational" or "authoritarian?"

    If such a view was truly irrational, then congressman (and society in general) would be behind an amendment to the constitution that offers clarification on the right to keep and bear arms. I have not seen anyone propose such an amendment, and I probably will not see anyone propose such an amendment in my lifetime.

    How does expanding CCW conflict with "rational gun control?" How does spread of the Castle Doctrine conflict with "rational gun control?" How does imposing harsher penalties on criminals who assault people with guns or criminals who smuggle weapons conflict with "rational gun control?"

    On the flip side. How is limiting magazine capacity a "rational" gun control measure? How is banning 50 caliber SINGLE SHOT rifles "rational?" How is banning handguns for law abiding citizens rational? How is banning semiautomatic versions of military rifles "rational?" How is a "one gun per month" policy "rational?"

    It seems that you have a twisted view on what is "rational" and what isn't.

    Spoken like a true authoritarian.
     
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    turn the 2nd amendment into a glass parking lot
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We're talking about the Obama Administration. Enough of the double-speak.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The SCOTUS can essentially make the Second Amendment worthless by judicial activism. Luckily, it is a majority conservative bench at this time. Of course, the Second Amendment is self-explanatory to most.
     
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    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay.

    That is a bit different than "eradicate".

    So what is the president's war against the 2nd? Your link does not say.
     
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    But are you going to dispute the article's analysis. I particularly enjoyed the summary of gun control history

    Freedom? That's terribly naive given these fellows are arguing against rational gun control (based on reacting to coercive relations)
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Have you read through it?

    Obama has told some of his supporters that he would being doing things "under the radar" concerning gun control. He doesn't want to rock his political boat at this time over this sensitive issue, until after the election.

    Many people in his Administration have anti-gun histories, including himself.

    His two SCOTUS appointments are anti-Second Amendment.

    There is a lot out there if you search for it.

    Here is but one example.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Once again, Reiver, you double-speak about "rational gun control" and "coercive relations". Please explain yourself in plain English.
     
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    Ayuh,... You should know this by now,...

    You have to understand, Reciever is from a different planet, 'n his words have different meanings than they do here in the US of A.....
     
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    That is plain English, unless of course you do not understand the nature of freedom.
     
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    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hmmm. He supposedly told Sarah Brady something.

    So he is three years in office and likely to not have more than this final year.

    So when is this nonexistent plan going into action?
     
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    He is chompin at the bit to impose new Federal Firearms Restrictions (AWB2) but EVERYONE in his inner circle have convinced him to wait one year.
     
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    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As evidenced by what?

    I have not seen the administration do anything at all that would indicate they have the slightest interests in gun laws.
     
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    F&F & "Under the raidar"
     
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    Ayuh,... Are We supposed to apologize for Yer blindness,..??
     
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    Pretty easy for a guy who is surround by armed bodyguards 24/7 to tell us we have no right to protect ourselves.
     
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    So, trying to restrict the Second Amendment is freedom?
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First of all, you have to open your eyes, and do some research beside listening to network TV, CNN and MSLSD.

    I already said that he is not going at it full blown because it is election year.
     
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