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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    That was all you really said.
    No, I've summed up that you're adopting an approach which can only be summed as deliberately avoiding the scientific approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiver View Post
    They provide data. They do not provide the econometric analysis required to test gun effects. This is all very obvious


    Any one following the scientific process would appreciate the need to hypothesis test by isolating gun effects

    You've just got spurious relationship designed only to hide from the empirical research available. Its dull as dishwater as its been done to death on this sub-forum
    Let's see, we have a dead body over here;

    count that as 1 dead body

    {{{Wow, the econometric analysis required!!!}}}

    We have a rape victim being transported to the hospital;

    Mark that down a 1 rape victim.

    {{{Hey, Riev, this is real hard isn't it???}}}

    We have a guy beat to a pulp in the park and the witnesses say the other guy hit him with no cause.

    Mark that down as an assult.

    {{{Are we following the scientific process???}}}

    So tell me, Riev, are you going to try an assult someone you know is packing a firearm?? Come on Riev, be honest, are you??? Are you going to try an rape a woman that you know has a gun on her??? Are you going to burlarize a house where you know a gun lives???
    Last edited by beenthere; Feb 20 2012 at 02:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiver View Post
    No, I've summed up that you're adopting an approach which can only be summed as deliberately avoiding the scientific approach.
    BULL Crap, you tried to drown me with words saying nothing except you were going to cut and run
    Last edited by beenthere; Feb 20 2012 at 02:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    {{{Wow, the econometric analysis required!!!}}}
    To test hypothesis one needs a large data set. This allows for the inclusion of multiple variables and sufficient degrees of freedom to enable tests of robustness

    Again, you'd know this if you had bothered to research the topic. It seems to me you haven't bothered

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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    BULL Crap, you tried to drown me with words saying nothing except you were going to cut and run
    Afraid you haven't got the means to critique what I've said. Its only by correctly referring to the evidence that you can actually join the 'proper' debate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiver View Post
    To test hypothesis one needs a large data set. This allows for the inclusion of multiple variables and sufficient degrees of freedom to enable tests of robustness

    Again, you'd know this if you had bothered to research the topic. It seems to me you haven't bothered
    If your data set is wrong or leaves something out, then your conclusion is wrong. You do not prove anything but rely on someone else's work to bolster your already preconceived opinion so all we are left with is your opinion and conflicting studies.
    Last edited by Hoosier8; Feb 21 2012 at 04:13 AM.

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    That is usually the idea when use links/urls. Rely on someone elses doggish stubborn research. Although Reiver is at least trying to use links from sources who take the subject seriously and not gutter rags by some other optimistic chatters.
    When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think the sardines will be thrown into the sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralZod View Post
    That is usually the idea when use links/urls. Rely on someone elses doggish stubborn research. Although Reiver is at least trying to use links from sources who take the subject seriously and not gutter rags by some other optimistic chatters.
    Funny I linked government studies. Are those not credible?

    Statistics be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed. We are looking at numbers not SD. It is simple and data from governments is the best source. This data does show that when guns go out crime rises. The economic effects can be seen in higher jail populace and court, police and social service costs. Reiver wants to talk economic impact? I can play that game.

    Number of recorded crimes
    Violent crime
    Violent crime includes homicide, assault, sexual assault, robbery and kidnapping
    (sometimes referred to as abduction). Although robbery may include an element
    of property crime, it is included as a violent crime, as the use or threat of violence
    is a more serious offence than the theft.
    Table 1 Victims of violent crimes, 1996–2008 (n)
    Homicide Assault Sexual assault Robbery Kidnapping
    1996 354 114,156 14,542 16,372 478
    1997 364 124,500 14,353 21,305 564
    1998 334 130,903 14,689 23,801 707
    1999 385 134,271 14,699 22,606 766
    2000 362 138,708 16,406 23,336 695
    2001 347 152,283 17,577 26,591 767
    2002 366 159,548 18,718 20,989 706
    2003 341 157,280 18,025 19,709 696
    2004 302 156,849 19,171 16,513 768
    2005 301 166,507 18,695 17,176 729
    2006 321 172,441 19,555 17,375 726
    2007 283 176,427 19,781 17,996 733
    2008 290 170,277 19,733 16,508 782

    • Assaults continue to represent the majority of recorded violent crimes, with an
    overall trend of increased offending since 1996. Although a decrease was recorded
    between 2007 and 2008, there has been a 49 percent increase in assaults between
    1996 and 2008.
    (1996 got rid of guns)
    • Although sexual assault is one of the least reported types of crime, there was
    an overall increase over the period 1996–2007
    [1996 got rid of guns] (although the number of assaults
    decreased between 2007 and 200. The highest numbers of victims of sexual
    assault and of assaults in general were recorded in 2007.
    • For violent crime, the trend in the past five years has varied. Variability from year
    to year is more pronounced in offences that have a smaller number of victims,
    such as homicide.

    70.28% increase in violent crime

    17% popularion growth.

    12 years 1996-2008

    http://www.ssaa.org.au/research/2010...gures-2009.pdf

    http://www.google.com/publicdata/exp...00&hl=en&dl=en

    So there are the numbers for AU from the government. Would you like to see others that correlate? Hey the US with all of our guns is safer man.

    Wait the crime rate in the US is going down.

    But wait we have castle laws and kill a car jacker laws as well.
    Last edited by Archer0915; Feb 21 2012 at 06:01 AM.
    When we can see a better future for our nations children we can focus on the non issue; issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralZod View Post
    I must admit that was funny! You are wasted on forums, sir. Try stand up comedy.

    But if i did take links seriously on forums, i would read Reivers and Archers links who are seriously trying to win this battle.

    And not 3rd grade amatuer journalists who write a few parapgraphs of jignostic hoop La.
    Archer, i did say that before. Between yourself and Reiver, both are using serious data. My view was to posters like beenthere. Who use gutter journalism which contain a few paragraphs of jignosim and then display random graphs.
    When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think the sardines will be thrown into the sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralZod View Post
    Archer, i did say that before. Between yourself and Reiver, both are using serious data. My view was to posters like beenthere. Who use gutter journalism which contain a few paragraphs of jignosim and then display random graphs.
    OOPS this thread is so long that I forgot who was who.

    Rep of Apology.
    When we can see a better future for our nations children we can focus on the non issue; issues.

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