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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    What does the law of physics have to do with true believers? Even the IPCC report only states that CO2 itself would be responsible for 1 degree of warming but the rest is all supposed to come about by multiplying agents, of which many people disagree.
    False. Name three scientists who say, in peer-reviewed literature, that there is no ice/albedo feedback. Name three scientists who say, in peer-reviewed literature, that there is no water vapor feedback. You can't.

    There are a few scientists who assert that the total amount of the feedback is low. But there is a strong and growing concensus on climate sensitivity. The "many people" who allegedly disagree are actually a tiny minority, way out on an increasingly shaky limb.

    So let me ask you: why do you personally believe climate sensitivity is low? Is it because you choose to believe 5 scientists rather than 5000, because it makes you feel good to do so? Is it political? Or is it because you actually know something about climate sensitivity and see some flaw in the research of the 5000?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    So one scientists guesswork based on limited data can lead people like you as lemmings to the slaughter.
    Reference, please: name the one scientist who has engaged in guesswork.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    As pointed out before, if you are not on the current bandwagon, you can be ostracized from the scientific community, even if you are right or have a great theory in opposition to the accepted political norm.
    Reference please: name the scientist who is right and has a great theory, and tell me why that theory is better than the accepted norm.

    The Top 5 Tactics of climate denial:
    1. Cherry Picking 2. Fake Experts 3. Impossible Expectations 4. Misrepresenting the Science & Logical Fallacies 5. Conspiracy Theories
    Diethelm & Mckee 2009

    Honesty is not on the list.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RPA1 View Post
    In the past 100 years global temperature has increased approx. 0.7C (about .007C per year). This is well within a statistical margin of error
    Utterly false. Show your work: what is the p value for the last 100 years of global temperature for the null hypothesis?

    The Top 5 Tactics of climate denial:
    1. Cherry Picking 2. Fake Experts 3. Impossible Expectations 4. Misrepresenting the Science & Logical Fallacies 5. Conspiracy Theories
    Diethelm & Mckee 2009

    Honesty is not on the list.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    They claimed more hurricanes and more powerful hurricanes since 2004 that has not happened


    http://finance.townhall.com/columnis...ked/page/full/
    Townhall? Please do not confuse poor journalism with science - if you can call what comes out of Townhall "journalism"
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
    “There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.” ― Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowerbird View Post
    Townhall? Please do not confuse poor journalism with science - if you can call what comes out of Townhall "journalism"
    When you have nothing to address the facts you attack the source. Now show where the article is false

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    The problem with warmers is taking the last 100 or so years, when actual temperatures are being measured and applying it to a system that is millions of years in the making is a problem. There are problems with the measurements, such as found in ARGO, and there are problems applying them to proxy data from the past (proxy data is like assuming temperature by things like tree rings).

    That is why I look at the long term pattern and ask the question, what will happen when this interglacial ends? If someone wants to cry about trying to keep the climate the same from now on, try fighting glaciers moving south.
    Welll, this is the first post in about the last 20 which does not contain "neener neerner noises" about "religion" therefor I thank you and THIS post I will therefor answer - ones containing vapid partisan rubbish I will ignore

    As for ARGO measurements - yes there are problems - the thermometers have been UNDER recording the changes but ARGO only represents ONE data set among many

    As for glaciation - good luck if you think you will live that long. Meanwhile heat waves can and do kill people as to the floods and droughts we are seeing currently
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
    “There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.” ― Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowerbird View Post
    Welll, this is the first post in about the last 20 which does not contain "neener neerner noises" about "religion" therefor I thank you and THIS post I will therefor answer - ones containing vapid partisan rubbish I will ignore

    As for ARGO measurements - yes there are problems - the thermometers have been UNDER recording the changes but ARGO only represents ONE data set among many

    As for glaciation - good luck if you think you will live that long. Meanwhile heat waves can and do kill people as to the floods and droughts we are seeing currently
    So, you are under the impression we can stop heat waves, floods and droughts? The cold never killed anybody?
    Last edited by Hoosier8; Feb 12 2012 at 02:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Debater View Post
    Utterly false. Show your work: what is the p value for the last 100 years of global temperature for the null hypothesis?
    Apparently you have trouble with simple math.
    Last edited by RPA1; Feb 12 2012 at 02:55 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Unfortunately for you, history tells a different story. This interglacial is about 11,000 years old and the last one did not last much longer than that, so we are at near end of the interglacial ready for a new ice age, which is a misnomer since we have been in an ice age for 2.5 million years and the last "ice age" was just a cooler period in the cycle. The cold spells last between 60,000 and 100,000 years where the mild interglacials, like now, only last about 15,000 years.

    So what should we do to get ready for the next glacial period which would be much worse than any warming.
    Wait on............

    You want us to worry about something that is pure speculleation on your part, has no real basis in fact, will not happen in OUR lifetime, will be swamped by the rising CO2 even if it DID occur, over something we know is happening now, is affecting lives and livelihoods now and is of immediate concern?
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
    “There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.” ― Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowerbird View Post
    Wait on............

    You want us to worry about something that is pure speculleation on your part, has no real basis in fact, will not happen in OUR lifetime, will be swamped by the rising CO2 even if it DID occur, over something we know is happening now, is affecting lives and livelihoods now and is of immediate concern?

    During our lifetime? OK, what will happen the next 50 years?

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    While I wait for the prediction, peruse the following:


    10. “The earth’s crust does not move”- 19th through early 20th century accepted geological science. See Plate Tectonics

    9. “The bomb will never go off. I speak as an expert in explosives.” — Admiral William Leahy, U.S. Atomic Bomb Project

    8. “That virus is a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)cat.” — Dr. Peter Duesberg, molecular-biology professor at U.C. Berkeley, on HIV, 1988

    7. “I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.” — Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943

    6. “Radio has no future. Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible. X-rays will prove to be a hoax.” — William Thomson, Lord Kelvin, British scientist, 1899.

    5. “There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will.” — Albert Einstein, 1932

    4. “Space travel is bunk.” — Sir Harold Spencer Jones, Astronomer Royal of the UK, 1957 (two weeks later Sputnik orbited the Earth).

    3. “If I had thought about it, I wouldn’t have done the experiment. The literature was full of examples that said you can’t do this.” — Spencer Silver on the work that led to the unique adhesives for 3-M “Post-It” Notepads.

    2. “Stomach ulcers are caused by stress” — accepted medical diagnosis, until Dr. Marshall proved that H. pylori caused gastric inflammation by deliberately infecting himself with the bacterium.

    1. “Telltale signs are everywhere —from the unexpected persistence and thickness of pack ice in the waters around Iceland to the southward migration of a warmth-loving creature like the armadillo from the Midwest. Since the 1940s the mean global temperature has dropped about 2.7° F.” — Climatologist George J. Kukla of Columbia University in Time Magazine’s June 24th, 1975 article Another Ice Age?

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