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    Quote Originally Posted by RPA1 View Post
    Apparently you have trouble with simple math.
    No. just with unreferenced twaddle on the internet
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
    “There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.” ― Terry Pratchett


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowerbird View Post
    No. just with unreferenced twaddle on the internet
    So I take it you can find nothing false in the article

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So I take it you can find nothing false in the article
    What the Townhall one playing the "shell and pea" game? Mate I have tried and tried to show you the misleading lies and twaddle in those articles.

    It is an OPINION piece by a "journalist" who has a very open political and anti-AGW agenda and is so full of spin I could use it as a ceiling fan

    Show me the original research - and don't link to Landsea's work like Townhall did because that was NOT research - and it seems that Townhall also cannot tell the difference
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
    “There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.” ― Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    While I wait for the prediction, peruse the following:


    10. “The earth’s crust does not move”- 19th through early 20th century accepted geological science. See Plate Tectonics

    9. “The bomb will never go off. I speak as an expert in explosives.” — Admiral William Leahy, U.S. Atomic Bomb Project

    8. “That virus is a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)cat.” — Dr. Peter Duesberg, molecular-biology professor at U.C. Berkeley, on HIV, 1988

    7. “I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.” — Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943

    6. “Radio has no future. Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible. X-rays will prove to be a hoax.” — William Thomson, Lord Kelvin, British scientist, 1899.

    5. “There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will.” — Albert Einstein, 1932

    4. “Space travel is bunk.” — Sir Harold Spencer Jones, Astronomer Royal of the UK, 1957 (two weeks later Sputnik orbited the Earth).

    3. “If I had thought about it, I wouldn’t have done the experiment. The literature was full of examples that said you can’t do this.” — Spencer Silver on the work that led to the unique adhesives for 3-M “Post-It” Notepads.

    2. “Stomach ulcers are caused by stress” — accepted medical diagnosis, until Dr. Marshall proved that H. pylori caused gastric inflammation by deliberately infecting himself with the bacterium.

    1. “Telltale signs are everywhere —from the unexpected persistence and thickness of pack ice in the waters around Iceland to the southward migration of a warmth-loving creature like the armadillo from the Midwest. Since the 1940s the mean global temperature has dropped about 2.7° F.” — Climatologist George J. Kukla of Columbia University in Time Magazine’s June 24th, 1975 article Another Ice Age?
    To imply that climatologists', glaciologists', oceanographers' conclusions are wrong because 10 incorrect conclusions (out of how many millions of conclusions) is asinine!
    1. The Scientific debate remains open. Voters believe that there is no consensus about global warming within the scientific community. Should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly. Therefore, you need to continue to make the lack of scientific certainty a primary issue in the debate, and defer to scientists and other experts in the field.--Luntz Research

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    While I wait for the prediction, peruse the following:


    10. “The earth’s crust does not move”- 19th through early 20th century accepted geological science. See Plate Tectonics

    9. “The bomb will never go off. I speak as an expert in explosives.” — Admiral William Leahy, U.S. Atomic Bomb Project

    8. “That virus is a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)cat.” — Dr. Peter Duesberg, molecular-biology professor at U.C. Berkeley, on HIV, 1988

    7. “I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.” — Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943

    6. “Radio has no future. Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible. X-rays will prove to be a hoax.” — William Thomson, Lord Kelvin, British scientist, 1899.

    5. “There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will.” — Albert Einstein, 1932

    4. “Space travel is bunk.” — Sir Harold Spencer Jones, Astronomer Royal of the UK, 1957 (two weeks later Sputnik orbited the Earth).

    3. “If I had thought about it, I wouldn’t have done the experiment. The literature was full of examples that said you can’t do this.” — Spencer Silver on the work that led to the unique adhesives for 3-M “Post-It” Notepads.

    2. “Stomach ulcers are caused by stress” — accepted medical diagnosis, until Dr. Marshall proved that H. pylori caused gastric inflammation by deliberately infecting himself with the bacterium.

    1. “Telltale signs are everywhere —from the unexpected persistence and thickness of pack ice in the waters around Iceland to the southward migration of a warmth-loving creature like the armadillo from the Midwest. Since the 1940s the mean global temperature has dropped about 2.7° F.” — Climatologist George J. Kukla of Columbia University in Time Magazine’s June 24th, 1975 article Another Ice Age?
    I get it: Science advances, therefore Conservation of Energy might be wrong.

    Well yes, I suppose it might. Now all you need is evidence to support your view. Which I keep asking for. And which you never provide.

    So until you've got evidence, I (and anyone else with a lick of sense) will continue to accept the consensus view.
    Last edited by Poor Debater; Feb 12 2012 at 04:15 PM.

    The Top 5 Tactics of climate denial:
    1. Cherry Picking 2. Fake Experts 3. Impossible Expectations 4. Misrepresenting the Science & Logical Fallacies 5. Conspiracy Theories
    Diethelm & Mckee 2009

    Honesty is not on the list.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MannieD View Post
    To imply that climatologists', glaciologists', oceanographers' conclusions are wrong because 10 incorrect conclusions (out of how many millions of conclusions) is asinine!
    Even if you dig in and read many of the scientist directly involved in global warming, you will find them giving caution to predictions. Only a very few will go out on a limb and risk their reputations, one of them being Hansen but he is heavily involved in politics.

    Like I said before, we can all agree on global warming and we can agree on man's involvement, what we cannot agree on is that all is doom or gloom or on long term predictions, or on the exact cause, or even on the amount of climate sensitivity.

    The problem warmers have is that they have bought, hook line and sinker, into the doomsday scenarios and long term predictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowerbird View Post
    What the Townhall one playing the "shell and pea" game? Mate I have tried and tried to show you the misleading lies and twaddle in those articles.

    It is an OPINION piece by a "journalist" who has a very open political and anti-AGW agenda and is so full of spin I could use it as a ceiling fan

    Show me the original research - and don't link to Landsea's work like Townhall did because that was NOT research - and it seems that Townhall also cannot tell the difference

    So you can find nothing false in the article. The lies as I have shown come from the GW community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowerbird View Post
    No. just with unreferenced twaddle on the internet
    I was addressing the poster that seemed to have difficulty with simple math. Is that you?
    Energy goes where intention flows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Even if you dig in and read many of the scientist directly involved in global warming, you will find them giving caution to predictions. Only a very few will go out on a limb and risk their reputations, one of them being Hansen but he is heavily involved in politics.
    Scientists are naturally conservative. As it happens, conservative predictions are being overwhelmed by reality. Like this one:



    And this one:



    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Like I said before, we can all agree on global warming and we can agree on man's involvement, what we cannot agree on is that all is doom or gloom or on long term predictions, or on the exact cause, or even on the amount of climate sensitivity.
    Not all opinions are equally correct, because not all opinions are equally informed by evidence. I've got evidence behind my opinion, and you don't have evidence behind yours. Therefore, my opinion carries more weight. Not everything is true. Some people are just plain wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    The problem warmers have is that they have bought, hook line and sinker, into the doomsday scenarios and long term predictions.
    The problem is, deniers don't care about the evidence, they only care about the politics.

    The Top 5 Tactics of climate denial:
    1. Cherry Picking 2. Fake Experts 3. Impossible Expectations 4. Misrepresenting the Science & Logical Fallacies 5. Conspiracy Theories
    Diethelm & Mckee 2009

    Honesty is not on the list.



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    [quote=Poor Debater;1060853240]Scientists are naturally conservative. As it happens, conservative predictions are being overwhelmed by reality. Like this one:

    [quote]

    That sea-level graph has no references at all. Correct me if I'm wrong but, -4 cm is NEGATIVE water. Why does the sea level change start there?

    Not all opinions are equally correct, because not all opinions are equally informed by evidence. I've got evidence behind my opinion, and you don't have evidence behind yours. Therefore, my opinion carries more weight. Not everything is true. Some people are just plain wrong.
    Not all 'evidence' is real either.

    The problem is, deniers don't care about the evidence, they only care about the politics.
    The problem with that argument is that there is no such thing as a 'denier.'
    Energy goes where intention flows.

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