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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    All I see is a (*)(*)(*)(*)load of reconstructions that aren't in agreement so they aggregate to 0. All you graph proves is that Proxy reconstructions are a crock of (*)(*)(*)(*)!!!!
    The graph was presented as to show how stable the climate was during the Holocene. I do not care if you accept the graph. But the fact remains, contrary to Gaar's opinion, the stable climate of the Holocene was one factor that allowed animals, including humans, and plants to flourish.
    1. The Scientific debate remains open. Voters believe that there is no consensus about global warming within the scientific community. Should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly. Therefore, you need to continue to make the lack of scientific certainty a primary issue in the debate, and defer to scientists and other experts in the field.--Luntz Research

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    Quote Originally Posted by MannieD View Post
    The graph was presented as to show how stable the climate was during the Holocene. I do not care if you accept the graph. But the fact remains, contrary to Gaar's opinion, the stable climate of the Holocene was one factor that allowed animals, including humans, and plants to flourish.
    To a certain extent, animals flourished during the glacial period but limited to the narrow band of the equatorial regions. They moved north as glaciers retreated and more arable land became available. Same now as it warms. Good for life, bad for gloom and doomers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    To a certain extent, animals flourished during the glacial period but limited to the narrow band of the equatorial regions. They moved north as glaciers retreated and more arable land became available. Same now as it warms. Good for life, bad for gloom and doomers.
    NOT good for life!! We just came out of a record 10 year drought to be hit with record floods for the last 3 years and soon we will swing back into drought conditions

    Try growing food crops in that!!
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowerbird View Post
    NOT good for life!! We just came out of a record 10 year drought to be hit with record floods for the last 3 years and soon we will swing back into drought conditions

    Try growing food crops in that!!
    Gee a record 10 year drought with no warming. How does that happen? Ever heard of weather?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MannieD View Post
    The graph was presented as to show how stable the climate was during the Holocene. I do not care if you accept the graph. But the fact remains, contrary to Gaar's opinion, the stable climate of the Holocene was one factor that allowed animals, including humans, and plants to flourish.
    From what I see the big bold black line is just the aggregate of the various proxy reconstructions. All you have shown is that proxy reconstructions produce random bull(*)(*)(*)(*). The aggregate is 0 because they aren't accurate at all. They are essentially random red noise.

    Its kind of like religion. They cant all be right nor can the aggregate.
    Last edited by Windigo; Mar 12 2012 at 05:40 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Gee a record 10 year drought with no warming. How does that happen? Ever heard of weather?
    Now we are getting weather and climate mixed up again

    Yes we have heard of weather and it is not just us - insurance companies are having to pay out record amounts

    This is what the IMF says
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    Insurance Salesmen Should Be Selling The Public On Climate Change


    And we are seeing more and more insurance companies speaking out about the cost of climate change as the bills keep rising
    Last edited by Bowerbird; Mar 12 2012 at 05:40 PM.
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
    “There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.” ― Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowerbird View Post
    Now we are getting weather and climate mixed up again

    Yes we have heard of weather and it is not just us - insurance companies are having to pay out record amounts


    Yes, you are getting weather and climate confused.
    Liberals claim to want to give hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views ~ William F. Buckley, Jr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Yes, you are getting weather and climate confused.
    Tell me how please - this should be entertaining!
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
    “There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.” ― Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    To a certain extent, animals flourished during the glacial period but limited to the narrow band of the equatorial regions. They moved north as glaciers retreated and more arable land became available. Same now as it warms. Good for life, bad for gloom and doomers.
    And how long did it take for the glaciers to recede? I am guessing it was more than 200 or 300 years; which is the time frame for the current climate to drastically change.

    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    From what I see the big bold black line is just the aggregate of the various proxy reconstructions. All you have shown is that proxy reconstructions produce random bull(*)(*)(*)(*). The aggregate is 0 because they aren't accurate at all. They are essentially random red noise.

    Its kind of like religion. They cant all be right nor can the aggregate.
    The discussion was about a stable climate. Do you accept that climate was stable during the Holocene? And do you believe that a stable climate allows animals and plants to flourish?
    1. The Scientific debate remains open. Voters believe that there is no consensus about global warming within the scientific community. Should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly. Therefore, you need to continue to make the lack of scientific certainty a primary issue in the debate, and defer to scientists and other experts in the field.--Luntz Research

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    Quote Originally Posted by MannieD View Post
    The discussion was about a stable climate. Do you accept that climate was stable during the Holocene? And do you believe that a stable climate allows animals and plants to flourish?
    No and no. Your black line is the aggregate of various climate reconstructions. It means nothing. All it shows is that climate reconstructions are a crock of (*)(*)(*)(*). None of them agree, so they aggregate to 0. The aggregate is no more accurate than any individual reconstruction and there is no reason to think that the aggregate is any more accurate than any individual reconstruction. In fact since each individual reconstruction shows a widely variable climate the aggregate is easily the least representative of the all the series. I know you dont understand this and I'm wasting my time.

    As for plants and animals flourishing in a stable climate. No for starters the climate has never been stable. Plants and animals have flourished in a warming climate.
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