Who benefits the most from blocking the Keystone Pipeline?

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Who benefits the most from blocking the Keystone Pipeline?

  1. The American People... Because oil is the devil

    4 vote(s)
    11.8%
  2. The Obama... Because he will be seen as all wise and caring

    2 vote(s)
    5.9%
  3. Canada... Because they won't waste there money on a boondoggle pipeline

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  4. China... Canada is gunna sell there oil to somebody

    9 vote(s)
    26.5%
  5. OPEC... High oil prices makes them happy

    4 vote(s)
    11.8%
  6. Democrats... Because Americans feel safer knowing they are protected from evil pipelines

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  7. Republicans... Americans will see the blocking of the pipeline as political and elect Republicans

    6 vote(s)
    17.6%
  8. Polar Bears... Cheap energy leads to more use, more use leads to "global warming"

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  9. Green Energy Companys.... High energy prices "force" people to invest in solar/wind

    6 vote(s)
    17.6%
  10. Unions... Because they have enough work already.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. TheGreatSatan

    TheGreatSatan Banned

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    I think blocking the Keystone Pipeline on environmental grounds hurts the American people. Increasing the supply of energy in the US hurts the green energy movement which our leaders are heavily invested in. If energy was cheap, there would be no need to invest zillions into compact florescent light bulbs. We all know the old style bulbs are far safer to throw away, but our leaders are heavily invested in the production of them and outlaw the production of the old bulbs. The government invests into producing electric cars, but only the rich can afford them. Not just because they are expensive to buy, but they are expensive to operate. Here in California, it gets hot and we have brown outs because everyone turns on their AC. Then the people here get huge power bills that drive people out of their homes. Energy prices here have drove the price of living through the roof, and now they want us all to plug our cars into the wall as well? This kinda insider politics is killing the American economy.
     
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    Americans benefit the most from blocking that immoral pipeline because its a big investment in oil and the only way for the US to rebound is to innovate in other forms of energy as well as avoiding oil wars.
     
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    Obviously, the Chinese are the ones most upset about the delay of the pipeline.

    Therefore, sending it back for review is clearly a Taiwanese plot.
     
  4. iJoeTime

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    Whether the Keystone Oil Pipeline will lower gas prices is questionable. Whether or not it will lower electricity costs, as you are mentioning here, is absurd and completly unrelated.

    Firstly, how is the government investing into producing electric cars? I assume you are refering to the Auto-bailout, of which I can't recall any caveats that they use the money to only produce electric cars. Secondly, they are becoming quite affordable actually. And mile for mile, electric cars are KILLING gas powered cars as far cost. Energy prices are high in CA but not nearly as high as gas mile for mile.

    In 24 years of living in CA I cant remember the last time we had a brown-out. Again, the portion of an electricity bill that can be attributed to charging a car is significantly less then the equivalent in prices at the pump.

    I think there are alot of reasons for people being against the pipeline. There are many threads addressing that already. But I think claiming its to do with insider politcs regarding electric cars and light bulbs is the stuff of tin-foil hat conspiracies.
     
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    Oil is the devil... Cheap energy is bad for America. High energy "forces" Americans to conserve and raises the price of living which helps the poor. :fart:
     
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    Switching to other forms of energy will be far more costly and will not pay off for many years to come at a great cost to the economy in the meantime. You have to slowly switch it over the course of decades to lessen the impact.
     
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    For the record, the Keystone Pipeline has not been blocked. It has been shelved or, as US Diplomats in Canada are saying "put in a state of limbo" until after the 2012 elections.

    That says everything.

    Trans Canada Pipeline people are saying they will be proposing a different route, one that bypasses the controversial areas in the north. The southern end of it already has local approval.

    A Trans Canada VP has said that the pipeline will go ahead and will likely be carrying oil by late 2014.

    The greatest benefactor will be the Chinese who have wanted access to Alberta's bitumen for many years now. The next to benefit will be First Nations peoples in Northern British Columbia who are looking at not only the jobs, the job training that goes along with it.

    The biggest losers are the American people whose gasoline prices will continue their meteoric rise needlessly.
     
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    why not make the investment now instead of chipping away at the problem with pipelines

    the country is not pre historic it does not need piplelines running through it for energy it is time to see change
     
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    The government gives tax credits to people who buy electric cars.
     
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    Because it is so expensive for companies to do R/D in this field with little to no return on their investment. It's a moneysink at this time. You saw what happened with Solyndra.
     
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    What about all the people that are hurt by high energy prices? The poor Americans are the ones who will pay for your green energy dreams by lowering there standard of living. I'm all for investing in all types of energy. Especially Nuclear power. If we increase the supply of energy, driving the cost of energy down, we'll advance faster towards other means of generating it. "Forcing" America to burn zillions of tons of coal for our energy needs seems counter productive to the enviromental movement.
     
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    Nuclear power is the only viable form of alternate energy we have and can put into practice quickly. Have to get those silly environmentalists to loosen their grip on Obama however.
     
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    I think being forced to meet our energy demand from dealing with nations that are unstable and hate us as opposed to a friendly ones that shares most of our sensibilities makes perfect sense... yeah... OK.
     
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    Switching away from oil only hurts oil companies. The emissions and spills from oil and coal are horrible for the environment and human health. Switching away benefits Americans instead of large international oil companies

    Solyndra didn't even account for 1% of the governments green energy loans
    Government green energy loans create 75 dollars in benefits for every government dollar spent.
    http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/wiredscience/2009/08/federal-investment-in-energy-rd-2008.pdf

    The better question is what about all this people who die from oil/coal pollution? What about all those people who homes are destroyed due to floods, and hurricanes?
     
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    This is why we need nuclear power. Solar/wind is a great way to supliment the energy supply but could never power our modern citys.

    LOL :fart:
     
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    Lol if that were true then lets spend 1 trillion on green energy and we will get 75 trillion back?
     
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    Sure does, and Obama sided with the greenies over the unions and the American people.
    He doesn't care about us. What more proof do you need? Turning down that pipeline was vile. This is Obama's real face.

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    He's America's angel of death.
     
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    The Obama and his elite drones are heavily invested in "green energy". Driving the cost of energy up, drives up the basic cost of living, which hurts the poorest Americans the most. All goods and services use "energy". Weather it's gas for trucks that deliver goods or electricity to power operations. We've seen the price of energy increase along with the demand every year and nothing is being done to increase the supply.
     
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    One way or another, it hurts us all, GS.
     
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    The environment matters... if it dies... so do we.
     
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    I don't think there's any kind of insider politics conspiracy at work here. The simpler explanation is that this is just regular politics: Obama benefits from shelving the pipeline because a big part of his constituency is acutely aware of our over-reliance on fossil fuels. Personally, I'd like to see most new oil projects denied and replaced with a major nuclear power initiative similar to that of France.
     
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    http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...-ado-about-nothing-basically.html#post4997572

    Nope its political hysteria.
     
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    The Obama's "green energy"

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    I'm sure I will get accused of McCarthyism but the U.S. Secretary of Energy Steven Chu is a Chinese American and this is far from the only energy policy in recent years to clearly benefit China. That said, he was unanimously confirmed by the senate and I'm sure he was checked out by the CIA but I'm more paranoid than most people in intelligence or government. The reds are indeed under your beds! Though since green is the new red he doesn't really need to be 5th column for the Chinese communist party at all. Just your average Californian liberal.
     

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