Give Obama credit, it took guts to do it.

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  1. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Vice President Biden claimed Friday that Leon Panetta was the only member of the inner circle who definitively urged President Obama to green-light the raid on Usama bin Laden's compound, as Biden discussed new details about the behind-the-scenes deliberations.

    Biden, speaking to the House Democratic Issues Conference in Maryland, candidly admitted that he told the president not to go forward with the mission. Biden said at the time he thought the administration should do more to find out whether bin Laden was actually inside the compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

    Describing the scene when Obama sought the advice of his top officials on whether to go ahead, Biden said most advisers -- aside from himself and Panetta, the defense secretary who was CIA chief at the time -- didn't offer a clear opinion.

    "He went around the table with all the senior people. ... Every single person in that room hedged their bet except Leon Panetta. Leon said, 'go.' Everyone else said 49, 51 (percent in favor)," Biden said.

    "It got to me. (Obama) said 'Joe -- what do you think?' I said, 'You know, I didn't know we had so many economists around the table.' I said we owe the man a direct answer. Mr. President, my suggestion is don't go."

    Click here to see the video.

    Biden recalled the scene to illustrate his point that Obama showed leadership and, in his words, has a "backbone like a ramrod."

    Despite the uncertain and conflicting advice, Obama told his national security adviser the next day, "Go," Biden said.

    "He knew what was at stake. Not just the lives of those brave warriors, but literally the presidency, and he pulled the trigger," Biden said. "This guy doesn't lead from behind -- he just leads."

    Robert Gates, the defense secretary at the time of the raid, has already said publicly that he had reservations about the intelligence pertaining to the bin Laden compound.

    It's not clear exactly what every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and key Cabinet members advised.

    One U.S. official told Fox News that Gen. James Cartwright, who was vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs at the time, was leaning against a raid and more toward an airstrike in that final meeting.

    The official also said that Michael Leiter, then director of the National Counterterrorism Center, was pessimistic on the intelligence.

    The official said many in the room were worried about losing their jobs should the mission go wrong. The official added that one of the reasons Panetta came down on the side of approving the raid was he had met with his intelligence team -- and even one of the most pessimistic analysts put a high percentage on the likelihood that bin Laden was indeed in that compound.

    Fox News' Justin Fishel contributed to this report.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/....#ixzz1kh j3rDHd
     
  2. Yosh Shmenge

    Yosh Shmenge New Member

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    How self serving of ol' Joe to relate this story and no one will ever know if it's true or not. Very convenient.
     
  3. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You maybe right. We may never know for sure. But if it did happen that way, you have to give the man credit going against almost all his advisers.
     
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    AshenLady New Member Past Donor

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    Well, we know that Bush couldn't do OBL in because, he's friends with the Saudi's and all their kinfolk.
     
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    Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
    al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633

    http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/
     
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    You forgot to add the link to the video. But honestly, I'm less interested in the thrilling spectacle of the highest-level Obama officials (and President Warlord himself), trying to assassinate an old, worn out wanker like Osama, who was sitting in his crappy old home with a bunch of women and much more interested in how this same bunch "tough guys" are going to handle the Egyptians who have illegally refused to let Americans leave Egypt: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71981_Page2.html

    Oh, and one of these Americans is no less than the son of (gasp!) Ray LaHood, who is Obama's Transportation Secretary! But I'll be ready to give Obama a hero's laurel wreath if he "grows a pair" and tells these arrogant Egyptian bastards to let our American citizens go RIGHT F-ING NOW, or face the wrath of a billion dollars worth of missiles, like Obama illegally ordered dumped on Gadhafi next door in Libya.... :omg:
     
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    Credit for what? Why even bother having advisers if your just going to be an arrogant, elitist and act like a cowboy?
     
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    Absolutely. Personally, I've felt the whole OBL thing was a little to convenient...

    At that time Trump was really putting pressure on Obama and his BC - suddenly "I, Obama, got Osama!" BUT he was 'buried at sea immediately b/c of Muslim rituals and no pix b/c they were to graphic'........

    Shortly after a retired CIA agent said Osama had died 6 yrs previously due to some illness...... then we never heard anymore about that either.....

    Joe probably told his story just to keep the fable alive and sounding good...
     
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    Obama should have led a recovery instead of a lunge to the left. Next!


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    only if he would do it more often, it seems good is actually done when he ignores his so called advisers.
     
  11. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Many said that about Bush.
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Show proof of that
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Excellent point.
     
  14. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Originally Posted by Marine1
    Many said that about Bush.




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    6 days ago – Newt is quick on his feet (and it sounds like other positions too) but ..... and the elitists just don't like Texans, or cowboys, as Bush has been .... Please, being facetious, with patronizing condencension and petulant arrogance, is no way to ... if youn wish to act in a manner that is so obviously not suited for in ...
     
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    Are you 3 years old?
     
  16. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bush the arrogant - latimes.com





    www.latimes.com/news/.../la-ed-bush28-2008sep28,0,182929.story


    Sep 28, 2008 – As the Bush administration attempts to stabilize the nation's economy, we are witness to the final chapter of a period of perverse and dishonest ...



    Shoe thrower exposes Bush's arrogance - latimes.com





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    Dec 23, 2008 – The Times' Dec. 16 editorial, " Bush's shoe toss,” takes an appropriate and interesting look at the "history of footwear and politics" and the ...





    Where Bush's Arrogance Has Taken Us





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    Aug 24, 2006 – Where Bush's Arrogance Has Taken Us An illegal war, a long list of eroded rights , and a country run by and for the benefit of corporate ...



    Hagel criticizes 'arrogant' Bush White House – CNN Political Ticker ...





    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/.../hagel-criticizes-arrogant-bush-white-...


    Nov 29, 2007 – Sen. Hagel did not mince words with his assessment of the Bush administration Wednesday. WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Chuck Hagel, a ...
     
  17. Albert Di Salvo

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    Osama bin Laden was only a remote enemy. Barack Obama is the enemy at the gate.
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Political speech is not proof and one person is not many
     
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    So you do not want to show proof.
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    The LA times links do not work

    Bush went on intelligence of his advisers. Bush had support of congress. You proof is to show Bush listened to his advisers and got the approval of congress. That is the opposite of Obama
     
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    So when the "anonymous source" said Obama didn't say anything in that meeting he was incompetent. but know Biden says something totally different and Obama is still incompetent? You would think there would be happiness at the killing of a man who orchestrated the killing of thousands of your fellow American's.
     

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