Philly: Teens in cab attack will not be charged with hate crimes

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  1. DonGlock26

    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    Thursday, February 2, 2012

    Teens in cab attack will not be charged with hate crimes

    Three juveniles who allegedly assaulted a cab driver and his passenger in Center City Saturday night while shouting racial slurs will not be charged with a hate crime, according to the Philadelphia District Attorney's Office.

    The teens, who are black, were not charged with hate crimes because there was no evidence that the assault was motivated by the victims' race, said Tasha Jamerson, district attorney spokeswoman. Just shouting racial epithets during the commission of a crime doesn't rise to the level of ethnic intimidation, she said.

    "They just didn't have that in this case," she said. "If they had somebody who, two blocks before, heard them say 'We're going to beat somebody up because they're white, brown or purple,' it might be different."

    However, the three teens - two of whom are 17 and one who is 15 - have all been hit with additional counts of aggravated assault, simple assault, conspiracy and recklessly endangering another person after the passenger in the cab, Brian Goldman, came forward Monday.

    Around 8:30 p.m. Saturday, Goldman was in a cab that was stopped at a red light at 15th and Chestnuts when he and his 53-year-old cab driver were assaulted at random. Goldman escaped but the cab driver was able to flag down officers who nabbed the teens.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/...charged-with-hate-crimes.html?cmpid=124488459

    This is an injustice. If whites called blacks racial slurs as they assaulted them, they would certainly be charged with hate crimes. Tasha Jamerson's bosses need to be fired.


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    I'm against the thought police, but if you are gonna have hate crimes, they should be dispensed equally. Not surpised they aren't getting charged though.
     
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    I have like a 95% accuracy rate in calling these cases. :-D
     
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    You bet it's an injustice and the lawmakers don't care.......

    It's been several yrs since I had read that hate crimes bill that was passed and from what I recall, it protected only the minorities and gays, pedophiles, all kinds of perversion.......:twisted:
     
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    And some people claim that racism no longer exists. Where is the white version of Jesse Jackson?
     
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    Hate crime laws serve no value
     
  7. Zook

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    It's like I said the other night, heterosexual White victims of racially charged violence by blacks will NEVER see hate crime charges filed.

    Heterosexual Whites just cannot be victims of hate crimes. It's impossible.

    It's injustices like this that keep racism alive and growing.
     
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    In prison on hate-crime charges. He said blacks commit a lot of crime and stuff...
     
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    You were and are right, sir.


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    No, they wouldn't. You need more than the use of racial slurs to substantiate a hate crime.

    If they said they were robbing ONLY white cab drivers to keep white drivers out of their neighborhood, then that would be a hate crime.
     
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    Another double standard for hate crime law.

    Thanks liberals. Great idea of yours
     
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    Yep, you called it. Well done.
     
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    Oh I call BS on that claim. You don't need more than racial slurs and an attack.

    And I was right of course:

    WESTMINSTER – A transient Caucasian man has been charged with a hate crime battery and assault for yelling racial slurs at a Hispanic woman, spitting on her, and trying to run her over with his bicycle.

    http://newsantaana.com/2011/10/06/w...ith-hate-crime-for-attacking-a-latina-in-h-b/

    There goes that theory.
     
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    This guy hung a Black doll from a chain. He was charged with a hate crime and apparently without proof that he was targeting the Black guy who now stands (or stood, about $20mill was paid out ) to make millions.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/12/new-york-city-parks-depar_n_1202793.html
     
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    Nope. Its not a "theory", its the law!

    Was the white guy trying to rob her in this case? No!

    His sole ACTION and INTENTION (the INTENTION is a REQUIREMENT for criminal charges) was trying to chase her out of the neighborhood BECAUSE she is Hispanic.

    His PREVIOUS conviction for hate crime and other felonies, and also, IN PARTICULAR, shouting “F****** Mexican, go back to Mexico.” really clinched the case of it being a hate crime. If he had skipped the "go back to Mexico", he may well have not been charged with the hate crime, just assault. :lol:

    That single sentence made the case for a hate crime.
     
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    What do you think their motivation was? Why would someone single out someone else, randomly, while yelling racial slurs... then assault them?

    During the flash mobs in Wisconsin, the Black kid who admitted to selectively attacking Whites, did so because "they are easy targets". I must give him credit for his honesty, for revealing this perception which is common held.
     
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    LOL You didn't come close to proving intent on his side. Why? BECAUSE YOU CANT READ HIS MIND.

    Don't you get it? Thats why hate crime law is so STUPID. You can't prove what is in people's minds. These kids also threw racial slurs at this guy and beat him up. How do you know their intent wasn't racial? You don't and that's why you loose the argument.
     
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    Ohhhh I see... so these Mexicans should definitely be charged with hate-crimes then based on that philosophy...

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_YW3bilXpU"]Mexica Movement - White People Go Back To Europe - YouTube[/ame]

    But they won't.

    Because heterosexual White people are the victims.

    The double standards of anti-racists are hilarious...
     
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    But he's under the assumption that since no other motive is present... and nobody is admitting to targeting the victims due to their race, that the racial hatred of the attackers is irrelevant.
     
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    Yes we can prove what was in the mind of the Santa Ana attacker's mind when he attacked the Hispanic woman!

    He SHOUTED IT OUT LOUD! :lol:

    If it is STRICTLY "in his mind", then it is not a hate crime because there is no way to prove it.

    The two teenagers in this thread did NOT make threats in that regard, and thus are not (provably) guilty of a hate crime!

    Our legal system is BASED on "thought crimes". You can't convict someone of 1st degree murder without PROVING they INTENDED to kill the person they murdered. If you can't PROVE that, then it is 2nd degree murder, or manslaughter.

    The article was quite clear that they couldn't prove the racial aspect to get a hate crime charge to stick. Plenty of other crimes will be charged, though, but there was no proof they were going after a particular race.
     
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    They could be - IF they were attacking or threatening to attack white people at the time or later.

    But they weren't assaulting whites. They were just talking. No "hate crime".

    You need to have an ASSAULT involved along with the racially targeted threat.

    What "victims"? Were the protesters assaulting, raping, murdering?

    Nope. You need to have BOTH the assault AND the threats.

    The lack of ability of the poor oppressed straight white males to understand the simple concept of an assault AND the threat are needed for hate crimes.

    I am sorry minorities do not seem to be assaulting "straight white males" AND telling them to "go home to Europe" very much.

    Well, maybe you will get lucky soon, eh?
     
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    That's utter nonsense.

    The fact is that hate crimes were conceived to use against whites and now liberals have to jump through hoops to justify the racial double standard they practice when blacks misbehave.
     
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    Yeah, Dave is going to break his back with those types of contortions.

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    "That is not a hate crime"

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    So it is a "contortion" to claim that a hate crime needs to consist of TWO factors: An assault (The "Crime") AND a stated indication that the MOTIVE for the crime is BASED on and against the PARTICULAR RACE, SEX, religious group, etc. of the victim.

    So, if an assailant says "I am going to kill/rob/beat you, Whitey!", that is not enough for a hate crime. It is simply an epithet and description of the ONE person being attacked!

    If an assailant says "I am going to kill/rob/beat ALL of you Whities", that IS a hate crime because the assailant indicates his attack is against White people as a group!

    And he has to SAY it, or be in a group that espouses it, or some other clear indicator to satisfy a reasonable doubt that the attack meets the criteria. If a white guy is a member of Stormfront that espouses killing/driving out/deporting ALL minorities, for instance, and he attacks a minority, he has a good chance fof getting a hate crime charge. The same is true of a black guy in a group that espouses driving ALL whites back to Europe who attacks a White person.

    It is a fair law, and there have been NO examples of it being used unfairly against Whites posted on this board.
     

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