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    A 16 year old Iraqi boy, who murdered a pregnant swedish girl, was sentenced to a mere three years.
    The murder happened in May 2010. The girl was the girlfriend of one of the Iraqi boy's friends.

    BOY SENTENCED TO THREE YEARS FOR GIRL MURDER
    Kjell Rynhag
    2010-08-03


    A 16-year-old boy was sentenced Tuesday to three years of ungdomsvård [secure youth social services] for the murder of his peers girlfriend. The judgment is much harsher compared to the two 16-year-olds who were convicted of murder in Stureby case.

    The 16-year-old boy was convicted of the May killing his peers girlfriend in Raby Forest in Västerås. Västmanland district court decided that he intentionally killed the girl using excessive force against the girl's neck, head and upper body.

    The court found no reason to judge the act as something other than murder.

    The punishment of three years secure youth are much more stringent than in the Stureby case where two 16 year olds, a boy and a girl, were sentenced by the Court of Appeal to secure youth for one year and eight months for murder.

    In both cases the courts found that the criminality of the offense had been ten years in prison if the offender were an adult. Although there were different judges.

    For persons under age 21 who have committed crimes, a discount is always given in sentencing. The lower the age, the shorter sentence.

    Alderman Hans-Åke Nygren at Västmanland district court said that the penalty for 16-year-old in Vasteras case almost entirely relates to the murder and not the other two crimes, coercion and abuse of judicial procedure, which he also was convicted of.

    "It's murder which prevailed. We started with what an adult would have received, and found that three years is appropriate."

    Hans-Åke Nygren believes that the distinction between the two judges because the sentencing range was amended on 1 July 2009. Previously, the penalty for murder ten years or life imprisonment. From 1 July 2009 provided the courts to impose longer sentences than ten years in prison.

    "The amendment may be fairly important in determining the length of the closed juvenile. The change has provided scope for greater variations", says Nygren.

    Josef Zila, a professor of criminal law at the University of Örebro, is not surprised by Tuesday's judgment.

    "The penalty is not surprising. The other crimes such as 16-year-old was sentenced to be alone does not lead to imprisonment, but with the murder of perhaps a few months", he says.

    The 16-year-old thought last spring that his girlfriend was pregnant. She refused an abortion and so did the boy in despair.

    In early May, the boy decided to confront the girl to discuss her pregnancy and during the conversation was light physical altercation. The boy says he took the girl by the throat and pushed her, but he then does not remember anything more.


    Another young male rapist was sentenced to a mere 4 years (the last 2 years he served confined to his own house), and he did not even have a residency permit to live in the country! Judges try to be "culturally understanding" towards the rapists when they are muslim. This particular rapist had brutally raped a 14-year old swedish girl, calling her a "filthy whore" and "swedish pig" during the encounter:

    Ibrahim Ali Rahim came to Sweden as an 18-year-old Kurdish asylum seeker from Iraq, settling in Karlstad. Soon after his arrival, he assaulted a 18-year-old girl with a broken bottle in an apartment, before a paryy was about to begin. He cut up her arm with two cuts as a result. Unfortunately she had been drinking and had an incoherent story under police interrogation, so the district court dismissed the indictment, as "it could not be ruled out that someone else had cut her." Fourteen days later the Kurd hit another young woman in the center of Karlstad. Then he went to an apartment on Kronoparken which belonged to a friend of Kurdish man. According to the woman he pulled her down on the floor in the bathroom. The Kurd took a stranglehold on her neck, hit her in the face and raped her. The woman was crying hysterically and tried to resist. Ibrahim Ali Rahim was sentenced by the court to only one year and eight months. He was also ordered to pay 85000 kronor (about 13,000 in USA dollars) in damages to the raped woman, although this was later reduced because he was found "unable" to pay. During the trial the rapist required an interpreter, as he did not speak swedish. Nowhere in the appeal addresses was there a claim for deportation.

    I am all in favor of "cultural understanding" and empathy for criminals, but there comes a point where it is just getting ridiculous.
    Most of the time these rapists and murderers are never even caught.
    Last edited by Anders Hoveland; Feb 09 2012 at 03:19 PM.

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    Indeed, it sounds like the sentences are too light!

    But are they different than what jail sentences are for native born Swedish?

    I am not sure where "cultural understanding" or immigration comes into this.
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    Scandinavian childrens' sentences are much more geared toward therapy than vengeance. Young children who kill don't even miss school for more than a few days. It's different, but who's to say if it's better or worse?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ent/803151.stm
    Last edited by Colonel K; Feb 09 2012 at 05:24 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel K View Post
    Scandinavian childrens' sentences are much more geared toward therapy than vengeance. Young children who kill don't even miss school for more than a few days. It's different, but who's to say if it's better or worse?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ent/803151.stm
    The relative rates of recidivism would make that determination. I'm not in the mood to look it up now.
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    In socialism the victim stays the victim and the aggressor gets rewarded.
    Europe Freezes in Demographic Winter, a Europe dying out.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15318


    "All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." -

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    for those who refuse to bow for Jihad and Sharia.

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    The Swedes need to kick the progressives out of power and ship the immigrants home. What a colossal error.

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    Sweden is a mentally ill country.

    Not that other nordic countries are that much better, but sweden has the worst case of liberal insanity.

    I do wonder if there will ever be an uprising in Sweden? Will the swedes just give away their country to people who rape their daughters in return? If not, then we're lucky enough to witness the most insane event in human history. Its a great time to be alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland View Post



    Most of the time these rapists and murderers are never even caught.
    If they are never caught , what relevance has that got to do with a Topic title of , "Ridiculous light sentences in Sweden" ?
    These millions of uncaught crimbos have not even been identified , yet you start your nonsense about the light sentences they would have received if they had been apprehended .
    In terms of logic and meaning , the mind boggles !!
    Still , at least you will have Forum notoriety from building huge generalisations with less than a handful of examples and no doubt ignoring individual case complexities .
    Your way of advancing an argument in your Posts reminds me of Joseph Goebbels .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel K View Post
    Scandinavian childrens' sentences are much more geared toward therapy than vengeance. Young children who kill don't even miss school for more than a few days. It's different, but who's to say if it's better or worse?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ent/803151.stm
    We would have to see the statistics about repeat offenders and compare them to a harsher system like the US. I suspect for Sweden their system works. I don't think you can import a Swedish system to America though. Justice is not one size fits all.

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    When I tell you ,
    " My my , here I go again , my my , how can I resist you?"
    Is that a light Swedish sentence ?

    Answers on a postcard only .

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