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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliticalRuckus View Post
    WRONG! He had "Secret Clearance" not "Top Secret"
    Instead, Lamo contacted authorities with suspicions that Manning, an intelligence analyst with a top-secret clearance, had committed one of the largest national security breaches in U.S. history.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...zwO_story.html

    All intelligence analysts have top secret security clearances in the military. Some media outlets don't seem to understand the significant distinction between a secret and top-secret clearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IgnoranceisBliss View Post
    What video showed civilains being murdered? When did the Hague/UN investigate?
    You chose to "overlook" the key word ... apparent...Apparent, does not equate with Hague/UN investigation. "Apparent" treason, does not equate to guilty without opportunity to present his side.

    As the other poster pointed out, it is apparently not an option for US to be investigated by Hague/UN, although that video has been investigated by British reporters who indicate the people shot were apparently innocent and not involved in terrorist activity. It's somewhat vague in my memory, but I believe they were holding cameras, not guns.

    These things happen in the theatre of war. But you have to hold your hands up and make reparation when they do. Injustice can have a ripple effect and even your own officers can become quite tetchy about it. They are after all, laying their lives on the line for an ideal. Fighting for the country they believe has the highest ideals and will always try to do the right thing...not just publicly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegadethFan View Post
    They cant because, typically, the US doesn't recognize international courts of justice.
    How about being accurate, instead of spewing inaccurate propaganda?

    The US does recognize the International Courst of Justice at the Hague. In fact, Joan Donoghue of the United States is currently one of the judges that sits in judgement at The Hague.

    http://www.icj-cij.org/court/index.p...p3=1&judge=171

    The only thing the US does not agree to is compulsory jurisdiction. But since that is not a requirement of the court in the first place, (any judgements are then forwarded to the UN for compliance) that does not matter anyways.

    So very nice posting. To bad it is crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegadethFan View Post
    They cant because, typically, the US doesn't recognize international courts of justice. Now why would a nation that loves liberty and justice so much reject such basic institutions? Answer: they are guilty of such immorality themselves.
    Are you telling me the international community can't have its own trial if they believe stronly enough, that an injustice has occurred? The can, and have, without the authority of the country being convicted, had trials in the past in such instances. The reason they have not had one against the US is because doing so, would open up a can of worms. There would be so many trials for percieved human rights violations that the system would be completly ineffective, kind of like the justice system in america is becoming due to the large amount of frivolous lawsuit claims. There simply is no evidence, or marginal evidence that the US has committed these crimes. The only thing out there is rhetorical and emotional argument that some of these things have been committed. Bringing the facts to light and convicting the US for such acts would implicate just about every country on the planet for the same things. That is not what they want, they dont want a trial. They just want the perception that america is doing these things so that they dont have to answer for the same or worse in their own countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    You chose to "overlook" the key word ... apparent...Apparent, does not equate with Hague/UN investigation.
    One of the reasons it is frequently claimed he had a "Secret" clearance is where he got the information from. He obtained everything he leaked from "SIPRNet", which stands for "Secret Internet Protocol Router Network". And the information released covered all levels of classification, ranging from FOUO ("For Official Use Only"), all the way up to Top Secret.

    But most of the information released was classified Secret. Most people do not know or understand how the Government classifies things. In the military, we use the word "Classified" as a catch-all phrase. But to give things a more "official" sound, most reporters simply say "Secret" to add to the sensationalism.

    And yes, he had a Top Secret clearance. He was a 35F, Intelligence Analyst. And if you want to know what is required for this job, it is not hard to discover at all:

    ASVAB Score Required: 105 in aptitude area ST

    Security Clearance: Top Secret

    Strength Requirement: medium

    Physical Profile Requirement: 222221.

    Other Requirements
    •Normal color vision required
    •Must be US Citizen
    •Never been a member of the U.S. Peace Corps
    •No record of conviction by court-martial
    •No record of conviction by a civil court for any offense other than minor traffic violations
    •Soldier and spouse must not have immediate family mem bers who reside in a country within whose boundaries physical or mental coercion is known to be common practice
    •Have neither commercial nor vested interest in a country within whose boundaries physical or mental coercion is known to be a common practice against persons acting in the interest of the U.S. This requirement applies to the soldier's spouse as well


    So this should end the debate on what his clearance was.

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    What about you let the political prisoner go is the great unUnited states of divided america in such fear as to be in trouble by the actions alledgedy of one man????

    That feeble its amazing strength would see Manning FREE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliticalRuckus View Post
    That's so stupid.
    Wecome to Pol Forum its full to the brim with inane comment ,but hey keeping standards isn't its strength .welcome alice follow the White rabbit!i will be your virgil to dante.

    Until you learn the ropes .i need a honest republican who hates the tea Party .Hey Santorum pulled a Rabbit out the Hat In Michigan!

    Have you ever voted for the Democrats?
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    DEFEND Afghanistan ,STOP the debacle and quagmire DEFEND SYRIA stop the support for the 'rebel' TERRORISTS!
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    I say drop Manning off in Idaho and announce that they are doing it. I doubt he'd last an hour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegadethFan View Post
    So sad to see this tripe here.

    If he is executed, I guess his last words will be something like "I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country," eh?
    If he is executed his last words will be whatever the US government want them to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSigMason View Post
    I say drop Manning off in Idaho and announce that they are doing it. I doubt he'd last an hour.
    Sad to say, that would depend on where they drop him off at.

    If they drop him anywhere in Southern Idaho, he would likely be lynched within minutes.

    If they dropped him in some areas of Northern Idaho (say, Kootenai County), he might be welcomed with open arms for his attempt to take down ZOG.

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