"Under God"... should be removed from the "Pledge"

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Johnny-C, Feb 15, 2012.

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Should the words "...under God..." be removed from the "Pledge of Allegiance"?

  1. Yes, the words "...under God..." should be removed from the "Pledge".

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  2. No, the words "...under God..." should not be removed from the "Pledge".

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  1. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    It is time to remove the words "...under God..." [added in 1954] from the "Pledge of Allegiance".

    This lawsuit is going to bring that premise up for a national argument; I'm glad about that.

    (Ultimately, this isn't just about the "Pledge" itself.)
     
  2. Montoya

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    Agreed God should be removed. As well as "in god we trust" from our money. And any monuments praising region should be immediately torn down from public property. We are a secular nation as it states in the constitution. With freedom of religion also comes the inevitable freedom FROM religion.
     
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    That is not in the constitution.
     
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    kenrichaed Banned

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    I would have to agree with you on that. There is a separation of Church and State but it does not allude to the fact that we are a secular nation.
     
  5. iAWESOME

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    Does....it....really....matter?...
     
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    darckriver New Member Past Donor

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    I'd say nothing much does anymore...
     
  7. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    But this significantly 'informs' how the U.S. Constitution is interpreted in such matters.
     
  8. Daybreaker

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    I agree!

    I don't think that's actually necessary, though.
     
  9. Daybreaker

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    It can.

    (character minimum)
     
  10. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Honest question...

    Do any of you really lay awake at night pissed off that it says God on the money?

    I mean I'm Agnostic and borderline Atheist and I 100% don't give a crap that it says God on my quarters.

    We have real issues in this country that need to be addressed and you people waste your time and energy fighting stupid crap like this for no other reason but to stir up (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    God can have a very positive impact on peoples lives whether you as an individual believe in one or not. Nothing wrong with putting some inspiration onto the nations money.

    As long as they don't specify one God I have absolutely no problem with it.
     
  12. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    Correct; it DOES affect many people. Some may not care, but it does surely affect the kids and their families enduring the issue.
     
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    I voted yes becauseI don't think its right that its there, but its minor enough that I don't really care.
     
  14. Chariot

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    The constitution was misinterpreted in the 1960s by activist judges on the supreme court. What is meant in the first amendment is that the US congress cannot establish a religion such as, for example; the church of England, I.E. there cannot be a church of the United States.
     
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    I think this is the one of the last things we should be worrying about. This nation is in a recession and we're worrying about the pledge. I think there are bigger issues than this. But for my two sense, this nation was founded on the religion of our forefathers so it makes sense why God is in our pledge and on our money. I know we're suppose to separate church and state but this really isn't affecting anyone.
     
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    Endure what issue? Do families seriously sit around the dinner table suffering because these words are on money?

    Doubtful.
     
  17. Montoya

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    Ah yes the old goto republican response...."activist judge".


    You just lost the argument.
     
  18. Johnny-C

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    God can surely do that, without religious values being IMPOSED upon human beings, by other human beings.

    I see the point; but this thread is primarily about the "Pledge".

    What about the significant number of people (parents) that don't want their kids being indoctrinated in Public Schools?
     
  19. Chariot

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    Your side has used the same argument numerous times. Especially when dealing with Washington D.C. V. Heller.

    So stuff it.
     
  20. Daybreaker

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    There have been people who refused to use the money because it says that. Of course, this meant that they had to move to another country.
     
  21. Johnny-C

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    Did you read the background on the "lawsuit"?

    Make your own thread about the "money", my OP is about the "Pledge".

    Irrelevant.
     
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    A bunch of little things adding up can make people feel alienated. A lot of non-believers already feel alienated from their neighbors, and this could potentially make people feel alienated from their entire country.

    I have thick enough skin that I don't really care about the pledge or what our money says, but even I feel alienated sometimes from the people around me because of the religion issue.
     
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    I know many people who are not believers and I have never heard one say they feel alienated. Usually they wear their lack of belief proudly and are often asking people why they believe what they do.

    I'm not sure what I believe and don't have any hesitation debating either side of the issue. I think your incorrect with this statement.
     
  24. Nightmare515

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    Then let them starve. That is absolutely the stupidest thing I have heard on this forum in the past few months.

    If you are stupid enough to not use currency because it says God on it then I have zero sympathy for you. If they had a family and their children suffered because of this I would like for them to explain their case to child services and tell their story to their cellmates in prison.
     
  25. Johnny-C

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    You really don't know better than what you're revealing here? :(

    Here's a question: Why would they bring that up? Have you asked them how they really feel about what you are assuming here??

    I know many quiet, even Christ-like unbelievers. So, don't assume too much.

    In any case, I would say that religious beliefs/values should NOT be imposed upon anyone (with the exception of people's own children... though personally I dislike that).
     

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