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    Quote Originally Posted by MisLed View Post
    But, why is it wrong to kill an innocent human being? This is something lifers fail to explain or rationalize.

    cause it's a BABY, INNOCENT by our standards? Precious life that has the right to LIFE?
    Then why does God kill so many?

    up to 70% of fertilised ova do not implant or are miscarried in the first few days
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
    “There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.” ― Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowerbird View Post
    Then why does God kill so many?

    up to 70% of fertilised ova do not implant or are miscarried in the first few days
    why do you think God is doing it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisLed View Post
    why do you think God is doing it?
    Could be mother nature - whatever

    Whatever - what is you explanation for the 70% failure rate?
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
    “There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.” ― Terry Pratchett

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    gotta link for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisLed View Post
    gotta link for it?
    Yep!! Hmmmm - Wiki has the rate at 30-60% but the common quote i have seen elsewhere is 50 - 70%

    A related issue that comes up in this debate is how often fertilization leads to an established, viable pregnancy.[citation needed] Current research suggests that fertilized embryos naturally fail to implant some 30% to 60% of the time.[31][32] Of those that do implant, about 25% suffer early pregnancy loss by the sixth week LMP (after the woman's Last Menstrual Period), and an additional 7% miscarry or are stillborn.[33] As a result, even without the use of birth control, between 50% and 70% of zygotes never result in established pregnancies, much less birth.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginni...cy_controversy
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
    “There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.” ― Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowerbird View Post
    Yep!! Hmmmm - Wiki has the rate at 30-60% but the common quote i have seen elsewhere is 50 - 70%



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginni...cy_controversy
    I don't see what is so startling about these figures. Does that 'failure rate' include sexually INactive girls and women? And when you get right down to it, how do these authorities come up with these figures? How could they possibly know such a thing. Oh i see. It says 'suggest'. That's a far cry from actual undeniable facts.
    Last edited by MisLed; Feb 18 2012 at 06:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diamond lil View Post
    It's inside her body.
    So? If I eat a key to a car, does that make it my property henceforth?

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    because that's what happens, isn't it?
    No, it isnt.

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    Of course it makes it logical and rational.
    A logical argument, symbolism does not make.

    Quote Originally Posted by diamond lil View Post
    It can be cuddled, kissed, smacked, thrown across the room, smelt, seen, heard, examined, help up by one leg, moved from room to room and so on and so forth.
    Just as you and I could be.
    You didnt answer my question. What's so special about being detached from your mother literally?
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    Oh, and just so you're not confused, I'm an apatheist libertarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisLed View Post
    I don't see what is so startling about these figures. Does that 'failure rate' include sexually INactive girls and women? And when you get right down to it, how do these authorities come up with these figures? How could they possibly know such a thing. Oh i see. It says 'suggest'. That's a far cry from actual undeniable facts.
    Admittedly that is an estimate and it goes across all women, all ages

    It is an estimate because we do not know exactly how many failures there really are but the high side comes from IVF studies while the low side is "best guess"

    There are a LOT of factors affecting implantation - which is why some authorities suggest making conception be equal to implantation
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
    “There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.” ― Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by dadoalex View Post
    A human fetus is no more a "human being" than a human liver is a "human being."

    To say otherwise is to say a caterpillar, cocoon, and butterfly are the same and whether that is your intent or not the result is to tilt the conversation.

    If you want a link I suggest you look up human and fetal physiology. Till then
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus
    You have missed my point entirely. Let me put it this way, is the fetus a human/ is it human?
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    I'm willing to change my position at any time on any issue. I have done so in the past. All you need is a logical, provable case, and I'm all in. The question is, have you got what it takes?
    Oh, and just so you're not confused, I'm an apatheist libertarian.

    "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." --Noam Chomsky

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisLed View Post
    But, why is it wrong to kill an innocent human being? This is something lifers fail to explain or rationalize.

    cause it's a BABY, INNOCENT by our standards? Precious life that has the right to LIFE?
    Why does it have a right to life? THIS is the question.
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    I'm willing to change my position at any time on any issue. I have done so in the past. All you need is a logical, provable case, and I'm all in. The question is, have you got what it takes?
    Oh, and just so you're not confused, I'm an apatheist libertarian.

    "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." --Noam Chomsky

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