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    Cal……isn't it something that these people only care if the killing happens and is safe and convenient.

    That says a lot about their worldview doesn't it.

    Hitler killed…it was quick…they did not have to watch it done (one reason the abortionist kills it inside the womb…and crushes its skull…or sucked it part by part into a machine.

    Its small its safe…and so so so convenient and easy.

    Science tells us so much today…more than ever before about the life in the womb and the development of the unborn. It is incredible that today…when we have campaigns to save the whales, the turtles, the eagle, the dolphin…etc etc…that they are so protected that we just kill human life with no respect or compassion and do it like they said….fast and easy.

    Schedule the killing…pay the bucks…..stand in line……kill the unborn…..then leave like nothing ever happened……the pro-choicers vision of loveliness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by churchmouse View Post
    Cal……isn't it something that these people only care if the killing happens and is safe and convenient.

    That says a lot about their worldview doesn't it.

    Hitler killed…it was quick…they did not have to watch it done (one reason the abortionist kills it inside the womb…and crushes its skull…or sucked it part by part into a machine.

    Its small its safe…and so so so convenient and easy.

    Science tells us so much today…more than ever before about the life in the womb and the development of the unborn. It is incredible that today…when we have campaigns to save the whales, the turtles, the eagle, the dolphin…etc etc…that they are so protected that we just kill human life with no respect or compassion and do it like they said….fast and easy.

    Schedule the killing…pay the bucks…..stand in line……kill the unborn…..then leave like nothing ever happened……the pro-choicers vision of loveliness.
    Notice that a lot of these protective species such as turtles and eagles and others also mean their eggs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cal View Post
    Bull, your just one walking contradiction. You do believe your rights trump mine, and everyone else on this whole dammed board. Do you even read what you write? Go read it your posts and tell me again how you supposedly don't think your better than the rest of us. You can't and if you did it'd be a blatant lie.
    My rights to my own body trump YOUR rights to tell me what I can or can't do with my own body. I'm not asserting any rights over YOUR body - which could be interpreted as thinking I'm better than you. YOU'RE asserting rights over MINE.


    I never implied my belief trumps yours, in fact I don't think I even gave you reason for you to believe that I even give half a care what you think.
    You believe that YOUR belief that life begins at conception should be legislated for EVERYBODY to have to adhere to which would mean that no woman could get an abortion. Therefore you believe that YOUR beliefs trump MINE because I DON'T believe that life begins at conception and that abortion should be legal.


    Your just fighting anyone that comes into the topic. Nothing you said has even helped your side. When I get pregnant? Oh OK.....great (evasion..I mean: ) justification. Thanks for playing......
    Absolutely. When you get pregnant and have to face a decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not because the fetus has severe deformities which is going to mean that whatever time it lives is going to be spent in a hospital suffering pain and costing millions of dollars, or that your kidneys are failing and continuing the pregnancy will kill YOU, then I'll listen to your opinion. Until then, you have no standing to try to make laws that affect women only.


    Oh and then you finish up with some questions about my job and what I do....you don't know me....don't pretend to....you don't get that right.
    You said you've witnessed "hundreds" of abortions because you're a surgical tech. I'm merely curious that so many abortions would be performed in the hospital unless it was for serious medical reasons. But if you don't want to answer, that's fine. I'll draw my own conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel View Post
    Bunch of baby killers.

    Bunch of (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) woman haters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel View Post
    I've have 2 live children, have had pap smears, breast exams, DNC's, otherwise the whole gamut, except for abortion. It is not emotional or traumatic.

    The only thing I can think of that would be is a miscarriage of a wanted child.

    Well, I've had 4 live children and 1 miscarriage. I have 4 daughters and 5 granddaughters - and 5 grandsons. So don't give me this trash about "babykillers".

    You think it would be bad to have a miscarriage of a wanted child. How would you feel if you had to make a decision to abort a severely deformed baby with most of its organs on the outside to mention just a few of the abnormalities they found on an ultrasound - a baby that you planned and wanted very much? Would you call that woman a babykiller or think she should just go ahead and have it and put the baby and the parents and siblings through the hell of whatever transpired if it was born alive?

    IMPO - for all pro-lifers try to act like you have such a reverence for "human life", you're some of the coldest, most uncaring, most unempathetic people I've ever come across in my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by churchmouse View Post
    Cal……isn't it something that these people only care if the killing happens and is safe and convenient.

    That says a lot about their worldview doesn't it.

    Hitler killed…it was quick…they did not have to watch it done (one reason the abortionist kills it inside the womb…and crushes its skull…or sucked it part by part into a machine.

    Its small its safe…and so so so convenient and easy.

    Science tells us so much today…more than ever before about the life in the womb and the development of the unborn. It is incredible that today…when we have campaigns to save the whales, the turtles, the eagle, the dolphin…etc etc…that they are so protected that we just kill human life with no respect or compassion and do it like they said….fast and easy.

    Schedule the killing…pay the bucks…..stand in line……kill the unborn…..then leave like nothing ever happened……the pro-choicers vision of loveliness.
    Ah! you are talking about late term abortions and when you think abortions it seems that is the common visualisation you have.

    No most abortions are not like that

    A very significant and growing number are very early and rely on taking a combination hormone therapy - so that the abortion becomes an "early miscarriage"

    Lat term abortions are a very very small number of overall abortions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel View Post
    I've have 2 live children, have had pap smears, breast exams, DNC's, otherwise the whole gamut, except for abortion. It is not emotional or traumatic.

    The only thing I can think of that would be is a miscarriage of a wanted child.
    But have you ever been 15 homeless, on the streets?

    What if you had been told you had cancer during the early stages of your pregnancy?

    What if your husband had suddenly announced he was cheating on you taking everything you owned and leaving you with the children?

    What if your children were struck down by some tragedy forcing you to spend every cent on care and every minute on keeping that care going - and found yourself pregnant - choice between living children and one that might stop you from delivering the care THEY need

    Each abortion has a story that is real and personal to the woman having it. Each abortion IS about choice

    And ask yourself (and it is a question that is always ignored by anti-choicers "What would drive a woman to have an abortion when the outcomes can be catastrophic?"
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
    “There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.” ― Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by churchmouse View Post
    I am so sick of this coat hanger excuse that I want to gag.


    Repairing the Damage, Before Roe

    Tony Cenicola/The New York Times

    By WALDO L. FIELDING, M.D.
    Published: June 3, 2008

    With the Supreme Court becoming more conservative, many people who support women’s right to choose an abortion fear that Roe v. Wade, the 1973decision that gave them that right, is in danger of being swept aside.

    When such fears arise, we often hear about the pre-Roe “bad old days.” Yet there are few physicians today who can relate to them from personal experience. I can.

    I am a retired gynecologist, in my mid-80s. My early formal training in my specialty was spent in New York City, from 1948 to 1953, in two of the city’s large municipal hospitals.

    There I saw and treated almost every complication of illegal abortion that one could conjure, done either by the patient herself or by an abortionist — often unknowing, unskilled and probably uncaring. Yet the patient never told us who did the work, or where and under what conditions it was performed. She was in dire need of our help to complete the process or, as frequently was the case, to correct what damage might have been done.

    The patient also did not explain why she had attempted the abortion, and we did not ask. This was a decision she made for herself, and the reasons were hers alone. Yet this much was clear: The woman had put herself at total risk, and literally did not know whether she would live or die.

    This, too, was clear: Her desperate need to terminate a pregnancy was the driving force behind the selection of any method available.

    The familiar symbol of illegal abortion is the infamous “coat hanger” — which may be the symbol, but is in no way a myth. In my years in New York, several women arrived with a hanger still in place. Whoever put it in — perhaps the patient herself — found it trapped in the cervix and could not remove it.

    We did not have ultrasound, CT scans or any of the now accepted radiology techniques. The woman was placed under anesthesia, and as we removed the metal piece we held our breath, because we could not tell whether the hanger had gone through the uterus into the abdominal cavity. Fortunately, in the cases I saw, it had not.

    However, not simply coat hangers were used.

    Almost any implement you can imagine had been and was used to start an abortion — darning needles, crochet hooks, cut-glass salt shakers, soda bottles, sometimes intact, sometimes with the top broken off.

    Another method that I did not encounter, but heard about from colleagues in other hospitals, was a soap solution forced through the cervical canal with a syringe. This could cause almost immediate death if a bubble in the solution entered a blood vessel and was transported to the heart.

    The worst case I saw, and one I hope no one else will ever have to face, was that of a nurse who was admitted with what looked like a partly delivered umbilical cord. Yet as soon as we examined her, we realized that what we thought was the cord was in fact part of her intestine, which had been hooked and torn by whatever implement had been used in the abortion. It took six hours of surgery to remove the infected uterus and ovaries and repair the part of the bowel that was still functional.

    It is important to remember that Roe v. Wade did not mean that abortions could be performed. They have always been done, dating from ancient Greek days.

    What Roe said was that ending a pregnancy could be carried out by medical personnel, in a medically accepted setting, thus conferring on women, finally, the full rights of first-class citizens — and freeing their doctors to treat them as such.

    Waldo L. Fielding was an obstetrician and gynecologist in Boston for 38 years. He is the author of “Pregnancy: The Best State of the Union” (Thomas Y. Crowell, 1971).

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/he...ws/03essa.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowerbird View Post
    But have you ever been 15 homeless, on the streets?

    What if you had been told you had cancer during the early stages of your pregnancy?

    What if your husband had suddenly announced he was cheating on you taking everything you owned and leaving you with the children?

    What if your children were struck down by some tragedy forcing you to spend every cent on care and every minute on keeping that care going - and found yourself pregnant - choice between living children and one that might stop you from delivering the care THEY need

    Each abortion has a story that is real and personal to the woman having it. Each abortion IS about choice

    And ask yourself (and it is a question that is always ignored by anti-choicers "What would drive a woman to have an abortion when the outcomes can be catastrophic?"

    I can think of hundreds of reasons off the top of my head that might cause someone to opt for abortion and the pro-lifers can't seem to think of even one. It's enough to make you think they're totally detached from the reality of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel View Post
    Notice that a lot of these protective species such as turtles and eagles and others also mean their eggs!
    Biology 101

    Why are so many in America not teaching/learning biology 101??
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