The ineffectiveness of Ron Paul

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  1. Jason Bourne

    Jason Bourne Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's astonishing to me that in his 20+ years in Congress Ron Paul successfully sponsored only one bill. One! And that was legislation to approve the sale of the old customs house to Galveston for use as a museum. And this guy claims that he can effectively and efficiently govern the greatest power in the world when he can't get his proposed legislation passed because he can't manage to successfully lobby his colleagues. Just think of how inept he'd be going up against powers like Putin.
     
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    That is because the legislation he sponsored was tinfoil hat lunacy. No one is going to vote for an end to the fed, or any of the other 1001 whacky ideas he has.
     
  3. Jason Bourne

    Jason Bourne Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Quite true. Some of his ideas defy belief.
     
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    If a politician was effective on the inside, then he/she was against the system.
     
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    He is very idealistic. It's a shame he doesn't support socialiSing medicine and other essential services.. A lot of his other ideas are awesome.
     
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    woah. small government and personal liberty and reading the constitution. WHAT RIDICULOUS CONCEPTS?!
     
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    Oh stop it with your generalisms. We know exactly what Ron Paul means by each of these terms.

    "small government" = 18th century agrarian Government

    "liberty" = the ability to defy the expressed and clear will of a vast majority of Americans

    "Reading the Constitution" = Each individual interpreting it their own way and defying any laws/regulations/conditions they disagree with.
     
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    This is exactly what ALL OTHER POLITICIANS do. And Ron Paul doesn't.

    No. Small government means small government. My government is a part of education healthcare welfare housing, and they for some reason feel the need to tell us that pizza is a vegetable. And you think our government isnt too big?
     
  9. Jason Bourne

    Jason Bourne Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps a small government in the late 18th century worked but this is the 21st century in the most modern and powerful country in the world. Government must keep up with the times.

    Liberty? I wasn't aware that my liberty had been diminished one iota.

    I have read the Constitution and several scholarly interpretations.
     
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    LOL. It drives me crazy how much faith people like to put on the government and politicians. And thats fine and dandy if you want government to regulate your life, but how about you let all of us sane people opt out?
     
  11. Jason Bourne

    Jason Bourne Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Government doesn't regulate my life. I do. Government regulates some aspects of the environment in which I live and work and some of the products critical to my life. I have absolutely no problem with that.
     
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    Well I do. And I have no say in it, therefore my liberties are infringed. The government is starting to get to that point where they try to tell us what we can eat. They already tell me that in 2014 that i MUST HAVE healthcare. The patriot act allows the government to spy on me whenever they feel like it. NDAA lets the judicial branch be completely side stepped. You just need to open your eyes to the little things. Look at Ancient Rome. They did much the same thing. Then they became an empire, and THEN they completely fell apart.
     
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    You have a say in government through your elected representatives.

    When has the federal government told anyone what they must eat?

    Healthcare reform is important to a stable economy.

    No, it doesn't. There are specific restrictions built into the Patriot Act. And why would the government spy on you?

    I agree with you.

    I have and I'm not concerned.

    The United States and Rome aren't comparable politically or socially.
     
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    You will have to admit one thing Jason, Ron will be successful in one thing, no republican will be president till 2016 at the soonest.:nana:
     
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    I wouldn't call that a success.
     
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    So I guess the point you are trying to make is that we surely can't blame Ron Paul for the clusterfuk congress has created over the last fifty years. He tried to warn them, but, like you, they did not listen.
     
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    I doubt that any single member of Congress can be blamed for its current situation.
     
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    All of them but one.
     
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    No, I'd suggest that Paul's ineffectiveness contributed to the situation the Congress finds itself in.
     
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    What does President Obama's resume look like pre-Presidency? For that matter, any President.
     
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    Then you actually know little to nothing about Dr. Paul. You sound like a Hannity clone.
     
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    Look, we all agree that under Bush and Obama we've experienced the most activist Federal Government in decades and we all agree the world "Laisezz-Faire" needs to re enter the political lexicon of America.

    The problem is that Ron Paul takes the typical conservative economic position and dials it up to extreme levels. The kind of extreme levels that are more dangerous than the status quo we have today.

    He then couples this extreme right wing position on economics with extreme LEFT wing position on foreign policy by adopting Chamberlainist style appeasement towards our enemies and demanding absolute social freedom that will destroy what is left of our already tattered social fabric.
     
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    Ron Paul is very old, sir, and he is further hampered by a very retro political philosophy, which on the front end pretends to appeal to libertarians and freedom lovers, but has the goal of changing the United States into a loosely knit confederation of states, paving the way and allowing for wildly xenophobic, racist and theocratic governments within the Southern or "red" states as they are now known.

    He basically says it for you: "heh? New Yorkers want to gay marry their poodles and inject them with meth while they have bestiality sex? Not the problem of the federal government. Purely a state matter."

    "heh? They pass a law in Alabama mandating the death penalty for marijuana possession, premarital sex, non christian prayer and birth control? No problem, that is not a concern of the US governement. That is purely a matter of state governance." etc etc

    Ron Paul is ineffectual, because at his very CORE he is ineffectual, a grandstander, a blow hard, a tough talking theorist who is content to "affect the debate" but the party keeps him around just to kind of troll for weed smoking republicans that got put on probation by minority judges etc.

    ok thank you sir
     
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    You do know he had a ton of co-sponsers on his audit the fed bill right?
     
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    What will Ron Paul's audit do that the regular Government audit doesn't?

    We already know what the Fed has been up too. Injecting liquidity into the world economy in an attempt to keep it standing so that we all don't wind up living in animal skins. America cannot survive as a protected economy. We'll destroy ourselves.
     
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