China Military Budget Tops $100 Billion

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  1. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Granny says dey gonna be one o' the 4 kings o' the east dat comes across the Euphrates river an' invades Israel inna last days Armygeddon...
    :fart:
    China boosts defence budget by 11.2% to $106.4 billion
    Mar 4, 2012: China on Sunday announced a double-digit hike in military spending in 2012, in a move likely to fuel concerns about Beijing's rapid military build-up and increase regional tensions.
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    China announces double-digit hike in its defense budget
    March 4, 2012 | China announced on Sunday an 11.2% increase in its defense budget for 2012, the latest in a string of double-digit hikes in recent years.
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    Why would China invade one of their best sources of stolen US military technology?
     
  3. Dayton3

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    Nations fight for reasons that make no logical sense.
     
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    Slant Eyed Pirate New Member

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    $100 billion per year?? Thats great, the Chinese will just have to increase that another $560 Billion per year to match what the US gov't spends annually on her military.

    And the China Threat propaganda continues .....
     
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    antileftwinger Banned

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    It doesn't matter how big the Chinese budget is, it's never going to out do the west, and China would need a budget of 900 billion to match the US in terms of ability and size. Because it has internal problems and borders 12 other nations.

    Also something not said, is the growing western powers Australia and Canada increasing their military budgets.
     
  6. waltky

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    Hacksters threaten national security...

    US faces increasing threat of cyberattacks by terrorists, including on battlefield, officials say
    March 09, 2012 | An eventual full-scale cyberattack on the U.S. by a terrorist organization is "a certitude," a former senior intelligence official told Fox News, and "cyberterrorists" already are making criminal use of the technology to steal money and move it around to finance their operations.
     
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    The US spends more on the military than the entire world combined. This is a non issue.
     
  8. Slant Eyed Pirate

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    Borrows more from Federal Reserve. Federal reserve glady prints more to lend to Uncle Sam on behalf of taxpayers. Soon we'd be wiping our butthholes with them greenbacks.
     
  9. waltky

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    China gettin' ready to invade Korea?...
    ;)
    China Boosts Naval Presence Near Korean Peninsula
    Mar. 12, 2012 - Alarm bells are ringing in some quarters here as China becomes more assertive in waters near the Korean Peninsula. Beijing reportedly wants to include a submerged rock effectively controlled by Korea in regular maritime patrols near the peninsula and deploy its first aircraft carrier there in August. It is also bolstering naval facilities at Dalian port and increasing the number of naval destroyers.
     
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    Grandpa says the forerunners of the beasts from the "Planet of the Apes" gonna be one o' the 4 kings dat comes across the Euphrates river an' invades Israel inna last days Armygeddon...

    He knows Granny won't raise much objection as he has discovered her soft spot -- for monkeys. :smile:

    Planet of the Apes (1968 film)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_of_the_Apes_(1968_film)

    Revelation 9:16
    http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/revelation/revelation-9/revelation-9-16.html

    The Battle of Armageddon
    http://www.battle-of-armageddon.org/battleofarmageddon.html

    The Kings of the East
    Who Are They? A Fresh Perspective
    http://www.forhisglory.org/KingsoftheEast.aspx

    Blessed Assurance
    http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bb960619.htm
     
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    Well said. Like that precocious child in Hans Christian Andersen's "The Emperor’s New Clothes", you are one of the rare species that have the sense to question those (like the two roque weavers in the same tale) who weave the Revelation into old wives tales to demonize the actual and potential enemies of their countries.
     
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    Well said. You can see better than many people who listen to such old wives tales with dewy-eyed innocence and in round-eyed wonder.
     
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    Like a deaf old wife in a marketplace, Granny keeps mumbling her mumbo jumbo without caring what others are saying.
     
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    North Korea is "sucking" China economically. Does it need a second economic parasite?
     
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    Granny says now dem Chinamens got missile submarines...
    :eekeyes:
    US expert issues warning over new missile submarines
    Thu, Jul 25, 2013 - Taiwan should be “very concerned” by reports that China’s navy will soon begin the first sea patrols of a new class of strategic missile submarines, a US military expert said on Tuesday.
     
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    Grandpa says now dem Amerigos are more afraid of Chinese missile submarines than the Chinese aircraft carrier...
    :smile:
     
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    They have had ballistic submarines for over 30 years now. And all of them spend the majority of their time tied up along the wharf, so I am not really worried about them.
     
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    their SSBN/SSN are pretty noise, we probably tail them everytime they went out to sea. beside china has ICBM on mobile luncher for some time now, and can be hiddent inside tunnel in the interior region of china, but still can reach US mainland, those are more threat than their SSBN
     
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    We might, if they ever go out to sea. Almost all of the PLAN submarines are "Wharf Queens", that go nowhere. And that is because they have a pretty bad record.

    Their first was the Type 92, of which they made 2. One is believed to have been lost in an accident in 1985. And from all reports these things were about as stealthy as a marching band wearing taps. Not believed to be on active service, some think it is now used as a "school ship" to teach other SSBN crews.

    After that comes the Type 094. 5 built, 1 in production. Is little more then an elongated 092, but there have been power plant improvements (which brings it up to say the acoustic signature of a Hotel class Soviet sub.

    And as usual, as a Type 094 is being built, they are also building a Type 096, the "newest best sub in the world". Little is known of this sub, believed to be a modified Type 094.

    But hey, it is not all that hard to check up on their main submarine base.

    https://maps.google.com/maps?q=36°0...0625,-95.677068&sspn=23.761683,56.25&t=h&z=16

    Right now I see 4 Type 094s, the Type 092 must be doing a training cruise, and the remaining 094 is probably the one homeported at their Southern Fleet.

    Oh, and you can see the Type 094 that they have under construction also.

    And I check this base fairly often. The last time I looked you could see several of their SSNs tied up as well, 3 and 4 deep in fact. But these look like they have settled in for a long stay, no activity on the docks that look like resupply or replenishment.

    Oh, and I see that all 4 of their (Type 052?) destroyers are in port as well. And they have cleaned up their surface side a bit, last time I looked there they had a ton of half-disassembled ships around their wharfs (now they are along the North seawall it seems). Looks like they have finished that and are actually ready to house more ships.
     
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    i agree, they don't put their SSBN etc out to sea much, and its noisy too. their SSK is better, but only good for lattoral water.

    but their surface fleet is decent/modern. there are about 6x52c, 2x52d, and dozen FFG 54a/b/c etc while its not comparable to US, but its comparable to Japan navy. there at least 2-3 52D are in bulding process, so seem like they doing serial production on 52d

    these might not seem much, but 52c start building in 2011, so in 2-3yrs they build 6 not state of art but modern DDG. 54 FFG start in 08-09 range, they now have 18. 52d start at late 2012, they now have 2, 3rd&4th are been build currently.

    each generation of these ships has improvement on it, just like f16 a/b/cd/etc. but the time gap between 52c/52d is pretty short this time, china seem more confident on their ship design after years of R&D/build 52 DDGs
     
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    China growin' their military budget...
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    Growing China military budget may shift power perceptions in Pacific
    April 21, 2014 ~ China’s recent announcement that it would increase defense spending by 12.2 percent in 2014 is making some American allies nervous in a region where perception matters and the possible flashpoints are numerous.
     
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    The problem is the US spends a massive chunk of that on R&D, which has little to no combat capability, so the comparison of the numbers is not as simple as a dollar comparison to who has the best stuff.

    Given the population advantage that the PRC has access too, it does not need to be at the forefront of technology, it just needs to be 'in the game' across the board using its numerical advantage. The USSR had the same advantage in the Cold War, but it tried to develop its own tech and could not keep up with the US in R&D costs and fell over... but the PRC has a much better economic footprint and apparently a functional espionage program into the US R&D - meaning they can afford to be a threat by having many sharp sticks, without spending a fortune on having the sharpest stick every moment. The BIG risk of this is, a sudden decision to fight by the PRC means it can quickly leverage advancements into a much larger force if they decided to commit a large chunk of money to the military - one which simply is impossible to match by anyone else.

    That leaves countries like the US scrambling/spending just to get a tech advantage because they know its the 'only' chance in hell they will have if the stinky stuff hits the spinning thing on the ceiling. The problem with that is it makes the US vulnerable chasing new tech by throwing its money at it... China simply has the better strategy and nothing can change that. This discussion has nothing to do with the likelihood of conflict, because that can emerge at any time at any instant for any number of reasons - the discussion is had because the escalation of conflict can occur much faster then the militarization of a nation.
     
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    It is actually much-much more then that.

    The US has for over 100 years kept the capability to operate as an "Expeditionary Force". It literally has the equipment and capability to operate anywhere on the planet, from the Arctic to the desert, and be able to get there with it's equipment and have it work.

    China and Russia have large militaries, but very limited capability to project power.
     
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    Short term advantage to the US yes, but China has modernised its shipbuilding facilities and skills immensly in the last 20 years, and produces lots of ships.It saves heaps of money by not running complicated reactionary/expeditionary gunship diplomacy - but that does not mean it cannot create the capacity quickly if it needs it. The advantage lies in their numbers of military personnel and pool for potential military personnel.
     
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    China isn't a naval power and never will be again. The Chinese need to get used to it and stop putting good money after bad. The Germans tried to out do the British and it didn't end well, they don't have enough ports and docks to build ships, nobody has more than the US. They need to import most of their raw materials for ship building aswell and their labor costs are going up while US costs are coming down. I think we are now seeing the hight of Chinese ship building in terms of numbers. The Chinese according the Robert D Kaplan want something like British coaling stations dotted around the place instead of using massive and costly carriers like US. However unlike the British they will not control these coaling stations and the US will still control everything inbetween, it seems pointless to me. Only 2 other countries would stand any sort of change against the US in a regional naval sense Japan and British Isles because the large numbers of ports and docks, large populations for labor, technology much of it transfered for the US, they are islands so don't need large armies and their open geographical position by which I mean they border Oceans and seas from which they can block off US trade to either the east coast in the case of Britain or the west coast in the case of the Japan.
     

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