Big scandal in Sweden: Sweden sell weapons to Muslim terrorists in a great numbers

any comments?

 

Sweden has long been selling weapons to SA, in order to benefit the weapons industry. That explanation doesn't seem to far fetched, it's the same reason the US gives for their weapons export to SA. It's not popular, not in Sweden, not in the US, but apparently, it's worth it across the board.

However, the new thing, starting a factory in SA, doesn't seem to have much support, it seems to be mainly the military minister and there does seem to be something fishy about that. It could quite possibly be some form of corruption but many seem to think that it's not money that's been changing hands, that it's more likely to be favours, representation, support, that sort of thing. I can't back that up, though.

 

Don't you have any? Its your thread and all you did was post a news link.

 

Human beings are collectively stupid. We live with the thought that a war might consume us once again, knowing how brutal the last two big wars were. Yet we as Westerners sell vast amount of arms to all manner of coutries around the world.

There will be another great war, we will be involved, our young men and women will die in their thousands.

What was it Einsten said about WW4? It will be fought with sticks and stones?

 

Even bigger Scandal

US donates billions of weapons to terrorists to drop on heads of woman and children in Gaza

 

Even bigger story you are actively attempting to derail a thread by posting an off topic comment. I suggest you observe the TOS. We have enough Islam vs Christianity vs west vs east, which is what the middle east all boils down to and has for a thousand years or more.

To get back on topic realists know that there will always be arms dealers and buyers. If I were the leader of a Nation I would purchase the best weapons available and become isolationist, its our best choice for survival, isolation that is. Homogenization of the world ie a one world government etc would be death to freedom, and death to the species eventually.

reva

 

Yeah, if I remember correctly, one of the conditions for the weapons sold by Sweden was that it could not be used in certain conflicts, and I think Bahrain was included. While it's more than possible that SA just ignored that, all they have found any possible evidence for is two weapons being used and while that's of course bad, it's hardly cause for alarm compared to even civilian crime.

The big issue is the construction of the factory. Everything else is easily lost in the massive ocean of weapon trade and even smuggling that goes on in the world.

 

US can give weapons and support to anyone, but god forgive us if any other country does the same.

 

Wouldn't you agree that agreements like that are usually stamped with a wink and a nod?

reva

 

THere's a list of countries which the EU prohibits sales to, but there are ways of getting around it.,

 

All of those deals were brokered for Putin by Victor Bout .He got Ikea to produce most of the weapons and put in false assembly instructions .
Now the Bout is on the other foot .

 

The Saudis are our friends - just ask the oil industry and the Bush family. That's why Wahabi Islam has been spread around the Muslim world and why two-thirds of the 9/11 high-jackers were Saudis. But if they are not officially terrorists the United States has no grounds on which to complain, and the lure of all that Saudi oil money is ample justification for the actions of Sweden's arms industry.

 

The Saudis thought Dubya was a nincompoop......

 

<<<sarcasm noted

We need to buy oil anyone that has vast quantities, strategic quantities of oil are the best fair weather friends USA protection and money can buy. Of course we could always flip them off and deny them to allow others to get our warm spot. Of course if the USA was as evil and greedy as the whining hand wringers say we are we could always just take what we want without payment! I dont mean extorting oil etc I mean we could go in and steal the oil by the force of arms. pull our KW's to the oil fields and haul it to the ports and load it onto the tankers. That&#8217;s the way it COULD be if the USA were truly evil, and no one on earth could stop it. However the FACT is that the USA is not that evil, not by a long shot.

No, the reason 'Wahabi Islam' as you call it has spread is because cowardly terrorists backed by decrees issued by Islamic Imams are attempting to infect the world with this virulent form of Islamic belief. Given enough time the radical nuts would have challenged the west eventually. The virus of imperial Islamic expansionism would have to be crushed eventually so its not so bad that we are doing some squashing now. Ben Laden was a big bug that was swatted as was his entire crew...I digress. Its kill them now or kill them later, by them I mean the radical Islamic terrorists .

Terrorists are terrorists not because of their nationality but for the crime they do. The only good terrorists is a dead terrorist. And the USA made hundreds if not thousands of good terrorists lately.


reva

 

here we go

http://www.politicalforum.com/weste...ay-have-been-used-bahrain.html#post1060980163

 

We couldn't even secure the highway between Baghdad and the airport for 6 years or stop the 600 acts of sabotage.

If you think you can steal 10 million bpd , you are delusional.

 

the same bearded guys ...

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http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...-manufacturing-grows-22-a.html#post1060983594

Or just good business for the Swedes.

Saudi Arabia's track record as a US ally since 1938 should stand for something.

 

very bad business for Swedish government , Swedish PM in big trouble
svt. the first page http://svt.se/


80 % swedes against a deal with the wahhabi devils

ps Pecunia non olet , right? you Saudis so funny (in nasty way)...

 

dn.se the biggest newspaper in Sweden, page 1

http://www.dn.se/

 

But where did all those Islamic Wahabist Imams around the world come from?

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/\papers37\paper3685.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1090510/jsp/7days/story_10942907.jsp
http://www.meforum.org/535/saudi-arabia-and-the-rise-of-the-wahhabi-threat

And my favorite from a former U.S. Ambassador, Curtin Winsor Jr. (text after link)

http://www.mideastmonitor.org/issues/0705/0705_2.htm

The United States has largely eliminated the infrastructure and operational leadership of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network over the past five years. However, its ideological offspring continue to proliferate across the globe.

American efforts to combat this contagion are hamstrung by the fact that its ideological and financial epicenter is Saudi Arabia, where an ostensibly pro-Western royal family governs through a centuries-old alliance with the fanatical Wahhabi Islamic sect. In addition to indoctrinating its own citizens with this extremist creed, the Saudi government has lavishly financed the propagation of Wahhabism throughout the world, sweeping away moderate interpretations of Islam even within the borders of the United States itself.

The Bush administration has done little to halt this ideological onslaught beyond quietly (and unsuccessfully) urging the Saudi royal family to desist. This lack of resolve is rooted in American dependence on Saudi oil production, fears of instability in the kingdom, wishful thinking about democracy promotion as an antidote to religious extremism, and preoccupation with confronting Iran.

Background

Wahhabism is derived from the teachings of Muhammad ibn abd al-Wahhab, an eighteenth century religious zealot from the Arabian interior. Like most Sunni Islamic fundamentalist movements, the Wahhabis advocated the fusion of state power and religion through the reestablishment of the Caliphate, the form of government adopted by the Prophet Muhammad's successors during the age of Muslim expansion. What sets Wahhabism apart from other Sunni Islamist movements is its historical obsession with purging Sufis, Shiites, and other Muslims who do not conform to its twisted interpretation of Islamic scripture.

In 1744, Ibn Abd al-Wahhab forged an historic alliance with the Al-Saud clan and sanctified its drive to vanquish its rivals. In return, the Al-Saud supported campaigns by Wahhabi zealots to cleanse the land of "unbelievers." In 1801, Saudi-Wahhabi warriors crossed into present day Iraq and sacked the Shiite holy city of Karbala, killing over 4,000 people. After the Saudis conquered Mecca and Medina in the 1920s, they destroyed such "idolatrous" shrines as the Jannat al-Baqi cemetary, where four of the twelve Shiite imams were buried (on the grounds that grave markers are bida'a, or objectionable innovations).

In return for endorsing the royal family's authority in political, security, and economic spheres after the establishment of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in 1932, Wahhabi clerics were granted control over state religious and educational institutions and allowed to enforce their rigid interpretation of sharia (Islamic law).

Wahhabism was largely confined to the Arabian peninsula until the 1960s, when the Saudi monarchy gave refuge to radical members of the Muslim Brotherhood fleeing persecution in Nasser's Egypt. A cross-fertilization of sorts occurred between the atavistic but isolated Wahhabi creed of the Saudi religious establishment and the Salafi jihadist teachings of Sayyid Qutb, who denounced secular Arab rulers as unbelievers and legitimate targets of holy war (jihad). "It was the synthesis of the twain-Wahhabi social and cultural conservatism, and Qutbist political radicalism- that produced the militant variety of Wahhabist political Islam that eventually (produced) al-Qaeda."

The terms Islamofascism and theofascism have been frequently misused by Westerners to refer to virtually all forms of radical Islamism, but they are fitting appellations for Wahhabism today.[2] The sect's rejection of individual liberties, disparagement and reduction of women's rights and status,[3] disregard for the intrinsic value of human life, and encouragement of violence against unbelievers, are unparalleled among Islamic fundamentalist movements.

During the 1970s, Wahhabi clerics encouraged the spread of this revolutionary and atavistic ideological synthesis into Saudi universities and mosques, because it was seen as a barrier to the threat of cultural Westernization and spread of corruption that accompanied the 1970s oil boom. Consequently, the royal family and their religious establishment looked for a cause with which to deflect the growing zealotry from Wahhabist theofascism, a danger highlighted by the seizure of the Grand Mosque at Mecca by heavily armed Islamic Studies students in 1979. The diversion that the royal family seized upon was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

The Saudis financed a large-scale program of assistance to the Afghan mujahideen, in coordination with the Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence agency (ISI) and the CIA, while funding radicalized madrassas to disseminate neo-Wahhabi ideology and literature in the sprawling Afghan refugee camps of Pakistan. They also dispatched thousands of volunteer jihadis from Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries to fight alongside the mujahideen.

Wahhabi Indoctrination

Teachings are reinforced by Wahhabi clerics in Saudi Arabia, who advocate jihad against enemies of "true" Islam - outside the kingdom." Incitement to violence against Shiites is particularly common. In December 2006, a high-ranking cleric close to the Saudi royal family, Abdul Rahman al-Barak, denounced Shiites as an "evil sect . . . more dangerous than Jews and Christians."

In November of 2004, twenty-six clerics, most of whom held positions as lecturers of Islamic studies at various Saudi state-funded universities, issued a call for jihad against American forces in Iraq. Two Saudi officials denounced the fatwa in interviews with the Western media, but no retraction was made in Arabic to local media outlets. Months later, a Saudi dissident group released a videotape showing the Chief Justice of Saudi Arabia's Supreme Judicial Council, Saleh bin Muhammad al-Luhaidan, advising young Saudis at a government mosque on how to infiltrate Iraq and fight US troops, as well as assuring them that Saudi security forces would not punish them after their return.[13] While Luhaidan publicly retracted his statements, videotapes of prominent Saudi clerics exhorting the public to wage jihad in Iraq and elsewhere continue to surface

Exporting Hatred

While Saudi citizens remain the vanguard of Islamic theofascism around the world, the growth potential for this ideology lies outside the Kingdom. The Saudis have spent at least $87 billion propagating Wahhabism abroad during the past two decades and the scale of financing is believed to have increased in the past two years as oil prices have skyrocketed. The bulk of this funding goes to the construction and operating expenses of mosques, madrassas, and other religious institutions that preach Wahhabism. It also supports the training of imams; domination of mass media and publishing outlets; distribution of Wahhabi textbooks and other literature; and endowments to universities (in exchange for influence over the appointment of Islamic scholars). By comparison, the Communist Party of the USSR and its Comintern spent just over $7 billion propagating its ideology worldwide between 1921 and 1991.

The lack of a formal ecclesiastical hierarchy within Sunni Islam renders traditional religious institutions weak in the face of well-funded Wahhabi missionary activities. Most Sunni Muslims look to their local imams for religious guidance. In poor countries, these imams and local leaders often find it difficult to resist the siren song of small amounts of Saudi aid that accompany Wahhabist missionaries in poor. Moderate imams do not have a comparable source of financial patronage with which to combat its spread.

Important fronts in this campaign are in south and southeast Asia, where the majority of the world's Muslims live. In Pakistan, Indonesia, the Philippines, Malaysia and southern Thailand, Wahhabis have co-opted (or replaced) village and neighborhood imams, and there is a fresh stream of converts returning from stays as guest workers in Saudi Arabia. The children of poor converts are often taken to Saudi Arabia for "education" and many are returned as cannon fodder for use by Wahhabi terrorist fronts.[18] In India, efforts are underway to capture a portion that country's huge Muslim minority as well as the Untouchable Caste.

In all of these areas, the central dynamic is the same - it is the overwhelming wealth of Saudi Arabia that enables the Wahhabi sect to proselytize on a global scale, not the intrinsic appeal of its teachings. Throughout the world, moderates echo the assessment of Somali journalist Bashir Gothar, who writes that his country's tolerant Sufi-infused Islamic culture has been: "swept aside by a new brand of Islam that is being pushed down the throat of our people - Wahhabism. Anywhere one looks, one finds that alien, perverted version of Islam.

 

^good point, Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist org. was CIA and House of saud creation /child

as i told before House of saud is the main terrorist on the planet , check out this number - $87 billion

 

The Teutonic is out of a closet.

 

Sweden Secretly Aiding Saudis in Arms Factory Work: Report