Athiests do not accept miracles

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  1. dattaswami

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    Duryodhana did not change even though Lord Krishna showed cosmic vision (Vishwavarupam). Therefore, there is no use of arguing with such rigid people. He may say that the science will develop some technique in future so that the human body may withstand such huge power to lift the mountain! This means that the fellow will not accept the genuine miracle at any cost. You should not entertain him any more with any further discussion. Salute him and leave him with folded hands saying that he is stronger than the king of this country.

    The king, having extreme powers, also may accept the logic in your discussion, but such fellow will never accept you and hence he is stronger than the king. Such fellow deserves highest regards, being more powerful than the king and hence you should salute him before you leave him.

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    Um... no.

    Provide evidence, problem solved.
     
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    Atheists don't accept miracles?

    What's your next thread going to be about? The sky is blue? Water is wet?
     
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    And ANOTHER rousing rendetion that proves the OP correct.
     
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    Excellent post.

    Atheists do not WANT to believe in miracles. It's that simple. They can't open their eyes because God moves mountains for people daily and He can for them too. They won't even ask Him.
     
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    Wrong. Athiests just don't want to waste their time on something that can never be proved, can never be tested, and will never be revealed.

    Bee
     
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    Yes, it is true. Atheists do not believe in miracles, magic, elves, wizards, goblins, fairies, or any other supernatural thing people have made up!! Everything in this world has some natural explanation. Most of the things called miracles have simple explanations. However, sometimes there are things that happen which we legitimately don't understand. However, all that speaks to is the reality that human minds are limited and our current knowledge of science and medicine is limited. Something miraculous and unexplainable today, will be mundane and easily explained tomorrow. Assigning that region to god, basically confines God and miracles to an ever decreasing pocket of ignorance. If religious people accept that, then God becomes smaller by the second, until eventually we will understand so much, that what is left to god will be so minuscule that the God hypothesis will become completely irrelevant. There has to be some better space for God to occupy in the minds of religious people!!
     
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    Wrong. Athiest just love the world, the flesh, and themselves too much to open their eyes to the truth.

    Many know the truth, but reject it. This is nothing mysterious.
     
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    Except if they're amputees and then he tells them to go and get (*)(*)(*)(*)ed!
     
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    Oh little man. God uses science.
     
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    Oh, God can't do it himself?

    Is the imaginary friend you believe in so weak?
     
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    Weak? I wish he was weak then I could ignore his power. No my friend, he has revealed himself to me and weak he is anything but...
     
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    You just said that he can't fix amputees himself and so has to rely on science to do it. That's WEAK.


    It appears that you are seeing things. That's a mental illness. You should get that seen to.
     
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    I didn't see.

    You don't understand.
     
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    Yes, you're right, I don't understand how people can look at science, doctors, etc and when those people do heroic work people like you thank your imaginary friend instead of the people who actually did the work!
     
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    Is that what I do?

    Again, you don't understand. Pat yourself on the back for being so awesome.
     
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    No, the concept is different..... Atheists can observe many miraculous events, the difference is that they come from the mind and will of the individual.

    The mind is miraculous and beautiful, we haven't even begun to tap into the possibilities of what it might create.....
    We are much too busy chasing absurdities to realize such an existence.
     
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    And so you ignore them even when they are documented.

    Isn't that what the original thesis was about?

    Is the intent now to find the most condescending or creative excuse to avoid them?
     
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    Really, the miraculous healing of someone else comes from the mind, eh?

    Any excuse is better than God? Just because?

    Who has the best excuse to avoid mircles? Which atheist will win this contest!
     
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    That was quick!

    ANyone who disagrees with atheists is mentally insane!!! Yeah atheism!!!!
     
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    I didn't imagine.

    You don't understand.
     
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    Somehow, though prayer means nothing to them, its the worse things we can do them? :eyepopping:
     
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    You are talking about the hardened Atheist. For them I agree they chose their path. But let us not forget I used to be an Atheist and so have a myriad of other Christians. I think some are genuinely lost. And others know the truth but feel they must live for themselves and reject it.
     
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    A miracle is not something that can be documented in any objective manner. All a miracle is, is an unexplained occurrence, some one has ascribed supernatural causes to. Those occurrences are OFTEN easily explained using natural explanations. A person was sick, now they are not. First possible explanation, misdiagnoses!! The person was never actually sick with the thing doctors thought they were sick with. Second possible explanation, the person was sick, but through some natural biological process or the usage of medicine they got better. At times we may not understand what that process was that caused the person to get better, but to grant supernatural attributes to all unexplained occurrences, simply does not make sense.

    Similarly a person may fall from a distance which kills 9999/10000 people that fall from that height, but they live. That is not a miracle, it is simply a chance occurrence, that will inevitably happen given a large enough sample size. These seem to be the biggest places where supposed miracles are seen. A sick person gets better, or an extraordinarily unlikely event occurs. Except as I already explained, there is no need to use supernatural explanations, because they are events with natural explanations. Sometimes natural and explainable, sometimes natural and unexplainable. However, if you insist on confining God to that space, as I said you are confining God to an ever decreasing pocket of ignorance, that will eventually decrease so much that the God hypothesis becomes of absolutely no value whatsoever. That is a bad place for theists to confine God to. They should try to find God in other places, at least in my opinion.
     
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