How Long Should the US Government Sustain an Economically Unsustainable Middle Class?

We keep hearing from the left about how its the Government's job to sustain a "healthy middle class."

The Question is.. For how long?

If half of the current middle class are now to undereducated to do jobs that pay middle class wages in America, how long is the Government supposed to sustain this economically unsustainable group?

At some point, technology is going to get to the point where most Middle Class paying jobs will exist in a very few sectors of the economy, sectors that will require heavy education in maths and sciences.

Industrial labor as a vehicle for the middle class is dead and Middle Class Industrial Labor jobs are never coming back, ever.. so how long is Government supposed to sustain this unsustainable group of people with stimulus, unemployment benefits, Working Welfare programs and the like before we can finally say "Okay, we tried the best we could. Time to let you go." and let them slip into a economic class more in line with what their job skills are worth on the globalized market?

 

The middle class should be sustained indefinitely, for as long as it takes.

The "middle class" is the most important aspect of this society. Anyone who doesn't see that, is someone I would worry about.

 

Probably just long enough to drain whatever blood they have left, and no longer. That would be the "most profitable" way to go about it.

 

The middle class is not going away. It is shrinking. That shrinking is due to a perfectly natural consequence of a newly globalized labor market. Why are yolu refusing to accept the unavoidable economic truth that the middle class is no longer accessible by industrial labor and it is impossible to save the uneducated half of the middle class? All this stimulus and working welfare programs are only delaying the inevitable.

 

must not be a issue if we can still afford to offer the rich Bush's extra super sized tax cuts

being rich is reward enough, we should not have to reward them with the tax cuts on top of that, they do not need them and we can not afford them

 

Yes, indeed!!

 

Right track, wrong conclusion:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-24/u-s-tax-breaks-valued-at-more-than-1-trillion-wsj-reports.html


In order of highest cost:

exclusion from taxable income for employer-provided health insurance: $164.2 billion poor and rich benefit, mainly poor
exclusion for employer-provided pensions, ss and medicare $162.7 billion poor and rich benefit, mainly poor
mortgage-interest deduction poor and rich benefit
taxing capital-gains income at lower rates than other income rich benefit
earned-income credit for the working poor poor benefit
deductions for state and local taxes. poor and rich benefit, mainly poor

All tax breaks need to be ended and no one should have a net gain at the end of the year on income taxes - no one should be paid to exist and produce nothing except in very rare (<10% should qualify) cases. Everyone should have a financial stake in their government - and that does not mean a paycheck.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/24/tax-breaks-exceed-1-trillion-report-says/#ixzz1q7IzpAGK

 

Why do you desire so much a revolution?

And the middle class is sustenaible. The problem is the greed of the corporations, that they want more and more, whatever the costs, in the society.

But that is absurd, because without internal commerce(middle class) you only will get one thing: More unemployment and more poverty and more companies closing, and only surviving the big corporations. Do you want that?

Because it looks what you want, and what you will get is the awakening of the workers conscience as a class, and if it passes the revolution will be closer.

If you want to prevent a revolution give the the scrumbs, leftovers to the people, it is some socialdemocratic rights. If you want a revolution end with the leftovers.

 

Yes, I want your revolution to happen becuase I know we'll kill all of you and you'll finally be gone from this world along with your sick and twisted ideology. It sure beats sitting around just watching Capitalism wilt and die evolutionarily, cowardly fading into the night.

I'd rather see capitalists fight. I want tahrir square.

 

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/13/148470066/factories-reshore-some-work-from-overseas

Factories 'Reshore' Some Work From Overseas

by Annie Baxter
3/13/2012

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/240559-reversing-herd-mentality-reshoring.html

 

You should learn from history. And read my signature. Because the union of the workers is the strongest force that you ever will see, the fight for the freedom is the strongest will, you can use all the armies that you want. The will for freedom is unstoppable, you will have to kill all productive forces, and without the productive forces, the workers there is nothing. There is no capitalism.

And capitalists fight everyday, already. And for that capitalists are winning, because there is no resistance. If workers start to work together, and unionize to resist, the lose of the capitalism will be here.

If workers decide to go together for their freedom and rights nothing will stop them. And you know that.

 

Typical rightie. Actually, it's because of INFLATION which hurts the lower classes disproportionately to the upper classes, and CORPORATE LOBBYING which DEFIES the free market and eliminates competition in their favor.

Basically, you want to eliminate government force that helps the lower classes (which is understandable), but you DON'T want to eliminate government force that helps the upper classes (which is bull(*)(*)(*)(*)).

 

How long before ass wipes who hate Americans move on out?

 

This is very true. American workers will at some point will awake to this and you will see unions once again become the representative of more workers in our country much to the chagrin of big time capitalists. Until then, non-union workers will wallow in misery and the unknown.

 

Capitalists have a pretty bad track record of putting down socialist revolutions. It usually turns out very tragic for the capitalists in the end.

 

The only time that I can think of where capitalists were even confronted by socialists/pro-regulation statists was when the U.S. government set up the anti-trust laws in the 20th century.

 

Ever since Reagan's assault on the middle class and Bush's continued assault... the wealthy have never done better!!

 

If it were up to the right wing it would have been gone decades ago.
You and I would be working for pennies a day and we would have you to blame for it.

 

I think that day is closer than the GOP and their sheep 'base' realize.

 

For disgrace the socialism in USA has been quite weak always, however in the XIX century the workers movement were strong over the world, even in USA, and the workers movement has his roots in socialist ideas, even in USA. The workers have confronted capitalist during long time. If many things that we have today have been thanks to this confrontation.

In the XIX century and beginning of the XX many workers died for this fighting.

 

It shouldn't be socialism vs capitalism. In my mind, it's really geoist-style capitalism vs right-wing style capitalism vs. keynesian economics vs. leftist capitalism..four main players.

I choose geoist-style capitalism, personally.

 

Forever how long it takes to keep the middle class from continuing the shrink and eventually disappear. Not matter the cost either, if the rich have to fork over more money then so be it.

 

The middle class would exist without government intervention. The government is merely creating a false middle class out of welfare scum.

It's not difficult to making a living wage and raise a family in today's society. The government is just propping up the lazy and useless.

 

If capitalism is what you think it is, it will die. If it is a system, which naturally destroys the middle class, and enriches the already extraordinarily wealthy, the only way to maintain it is through social democratic policies(in other words, redistribution within the confines of a capitalist system). Otherwise some other radical alternative, like Kilgram advocates, will be right around the corner.