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    Quote Originally Posted by frodly View Post
    So veiled racism instead of blatant racism? Is that better?
    I don't approve of racism full stop but veiled racism seems to be better electoral politics and that was the point I was trying to make.

    Fears of 'Eurabia' are not driving this, economic problems and simplistic promises that halting immigration will return france to her former glory are .And le pen is exploiting the economic fears of the french people to further herself and the party but to do that she has had to soften the tone and broaden the issue because french people aren't really all that gone on fascism and its minions.

    And again if the UMP and Sarko were doing a better job you would not see the disenchantment of party supporters and the drift to the NF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frodly View Post
    It seems that some Europeans(the stupid ones) forgot the lessons of what happens when you vote for racist scum who espouse the virtues of the "nation."
    All people world wide are walking in the same trap called politics. Politics, over a century going on, and caused all problems there are today, people keep believing that politics solve their problems, but it all will only become worse.
    They all haven't learned from what happened in Germany (also because the details were never told, how Germany was taken over) Exactly the same is going on.
    The French voted in large numbers last sunday, they believe politics will solve the problems there are today, but it was politics (imperialistic based ideology from top of power) that caused all the problems over de last decades.
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    In my opinion, Marine Lepen can't be president... The bigest majority of the French people hate her very much, people thought she's racist, extremist and dangerous; and, the people who want her for Président never said it, 'cause that's a big shame to be with the National Front...

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    She hasn't a prayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanm34 View Post
    No matter how often you repeat "nazi's were socialists" it will not make it true.
    It's an article of faith with the American extreme right. It's isn't true, but they must believe it or acknowledge their racist nationalist corporatist brethren.
    Hello! I'm from Europe, the place where history comes from.

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    And, now, she's got only 18% in the elections... And she's the must hated politician of France...

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    Nazis are leftists but you don't get to fascism until you go thru socialism.

    But what i wanted to say was WHY do they call the national front extreme right. They WERE extreme left and are evolving to something more palatable it seems. At least it would mean the survival of the french in the face of this muslim threat.
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    They haven't choice to be called "extreme right"... They say they aren't in the extreme right, they say they are a patriot party and don't want be a party of extreme right... That the analysts who call them "extreme right".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanm34 View Post
    No matter how often you repeat "nazi's were socialists" it will not make it true.
    Yes, "Nazi" were no no socialists. They had some socialist things like workerholidays but they were capitalists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarisse150 View Post
    They haven't choice to be called "extreme right"... They say they aren't in the extreme right, they say they are a patriot party and don't want be a party of extreme right... That the analysts who call them "extreme right".
    which analysts. AP? Our so-called analysts here? right and left mean different things in different places. It's better to look at their platform. I've found that the predominant media label many things that are left as right wing in order to influence american who know no better.
    RIP:
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