Victims of America's dirty war,are still being born

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  1. Marlowe

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    Victims of America's dirty war,are still being born.

    Children of Fallujah
    A worse crime than any committed during Saddam's brutal reign .

    Infant mortality, cancer and leukaemia in Fallujah exceeded those reported by survivors of the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    pg-34-fisk-3.jpg

    More photos via link below.

    For little Sayef, there will be no Arab Spring. he will never know the history of the world around him, never enjoy the freedoms of a new Middle East. He can move only his hands and take only bottled milk because he cannot swallow. He is already almost too heavy for his father to carry. He lives in a prison whose doors will remain forever closed.

    It's as difficult to write this kind of report as it is to understand the courage of his family
    . Many of the Fallujah families whose children have been born with what doctors call "congenital birth anomalies" prefer to keep their doors closed to strangers, regarding their children as a mark of personal shame rather than possible proof that something terrible took place here after the two great American battles against insurgents in the city in 2004, and another conflict in 2007.


    After at first denying the use of phosphorous shells during the second battle of Fallujah, US forces later admitted that they had fired the munitions against buildings in the city. Independent reports have spoken of a birth-defect rate in Fallujah far higher than other areas of Iraq, let alone other Arab countries. No one, of course, can produce cast-iron evidence that American munitions have caused the tragedy of Fallujah's children.

    "I think all this is because of the use by the Americans of phosphorous in the two big battles," he says. "I have heard of so many cases of congenital birth defects in children. There has to be a reason. When my child first went to the hospital, I saw families there with exactly the same problems."

    Studies since the 2004 Fallujah battles have recorded profound increases in infant mortality and cancer in Fallujah; the latest report, whose authors include a doctor at Fallujah General Hospital, says that congenital malformations account for 15 per cent of all births in Fallujah.



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    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...ildren-of-fallujah--sayefs-story-7675977.html



    Tomorrow: The doctors fighting to improve the lives of Fallujah's suffering children
     
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    History has shown that Uncle Sam has a combination of Jekyll & Hyde personality. with completely opposite levels of morality. The "International Constable", who is the self-proclaimed Guardian of International Order and the Defender of Freedom and Democracy, is very brutal and ruthless, even to innocent civilians, when conducting warfare. This could be shown in the two nuclear bombs dropped on Japan at the end of World War II and the undeclared chemical warfare conducted by Uncle Sam during the Vietnam War.

    For Vietnamese civilians, the deadly effects of Agent Orange linger even more than three decades after the war ended.

    The effects of Agent orange and its consequences
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4490

    US Military Defoliants on Okinawa: Agent Orange
    http://truth-out.org/index.php?opti...s-military-defoliants-on-okinawa-agent-orange

    Agent Orange: "Collateral Damage" in Viet Nam
    http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0401/pjg_thumbs.htm

    Agent Orange devastates generations of Vietnamese
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXu2KmzAX-A&feature=related

    Vietnam: Children of Agent Orange- 30 years after the war, Agent Orange is still
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y5mF_6eOto
     
  3. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    It's simple really. We need to drop the facade of being a morality/democracy enforcer and simply go with the "you'd better fear us" approach.

    War should be avoided most of the time, but there's no reason to hold back while waging it. You don't win wars by being moral. You win by overwhelming force and ruthlessly practical strategy.

    In short, it's better to be feared than loved.
     
  4. Marlowe

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    Serfin , did you read the OP ? Do you not know that Bush =Cheney-Rumfeld took your country into a war based on a pack of lies ?

    However, be that as it may , what's happen to compassion ? Can you not think of a single word of sympathy for the innocent children - victims of US military use of phosphorous shells ?

    PLease read the OP again and let me know whether its not a blot on your country's name.

    Was regime change - killing Saddam really worth the price the new born children + impoverished parents are still paying ?

    Please read the Robert Fisk's report following the Link I've posted.

    I sincerely hope you'd reconsider and think of the children .


    IMO - better to be fair - honest -+ just "treat others as you wish to be treated - than being hated.... it was being hated which caused 9/11.
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    And then there are the tens of thousands of unexploded mines, bomblets from cluster munitions and god only knows what else, still killing and mutilating civilians decades after Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia...
     
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    That is quite an accusation based on an "I think," don't you think? That said, since the Americans were not fighting themselves, no possible blame to those on the other side if this indeed is true?
     
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    Obviously, you haven't read the CONGRESSIONAL authorization for the use of force of Iraq, otherwise you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself with that ignorant falsehood.

    The least you could do is get your facts straight before you distort them...:roll:
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    America has a long history of breaking international law-including Iraq2 which was not mandated by the UNSC. Nicaragua in 1984 was another shameful example of American arrogance, aggression and law-breaking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States
     
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    First of all, when did the UN declare "Iraq2" illegal?

    Secondly, did the USA invade Iraq by itself?

    Evidently, it requires explaining to clueless individuals such as yourself that there are consequences to violating ceasefire agreements, and despite any wishes you may have to the contrary, that rule applied to Saddam's Tikriti mafia, as well. When the Baathist regime in Baghdad violated that ceasefire agreement, it effectively resumed the hostilities that were suspended by the Gulf War I ceasefire agreement. If you've got a problem with Saddam's decision to violate the GWI ceasefire agreement, I suggest you shake your little fists in impotent rage - his complaint department isn't open for business anymore...
     
  10. Marlowe

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    Have you ever heard of René Descartes. ? Cogito ergo sum ( English: "I think, therefore I am" ?

    Perhaps you dont think , hey ?

    No . "" Americans were not fighting themselves", whatever that means .

    Would you please rephrase that so it makes sense ?


    btw - Did you miss the point of the OP ? its about the Children - Victims of US Military using phosphorous shells .


    GOT IT ?

    I'm now off for another pinta Guinness.



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    "Get facts striaght before I distort them " Hahahaha - what sort of fekkin double-dutch gibberish is is that ? LOL


    Meanwhile - Can you concentrate on the THREAD's TOPIC ? Its not about me , its about the Children of Fallujah .Victims of US Military using phosphorous shells .

    Do you think those children deserve being malformed ? Where the fuk is your god ?
     
  12. Antiauthoritarian

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    Haven't you heard? It's all good because America is exceptional. Murder and maiming and thievery are AOK when Americans do it because everything they do is good and right and anyone who opposes them is evil and must be vilified and destroyed.

    Doesn't everyone know this already? Sheesh...
     
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    We will be taking friendly-fire casualties from Vietnam and Iraq for at least a generation after the last veterans of those wars have died. The situation will, of course, be aggravated by trhe ass-covering of coprporate war profiteers who protect their "trade secrets" by use of "corporate personhood" and "right to avoid self-incrimination."

    I think that any corporation that produced any of the mutagens and carcinogens that our troops or our enemies were exposed to should have to pay to support the disabled people born because of their products.

    Just call it a cost of doing business.
     
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    A lot of things are a "blot" on our name. Hell, you think this is the worst thing we've done? It's like what reedak pointed out.

    Children dying or suffering during or in the aftermath of war is old news, really.

    Of course, it was a terrible idea to invade Iraq, but it wasn't because of this. It's because we made Iran a lot more powerful in the process.


    9/11 happened because a few nutjobs slipped past our security. We'll be hated no matter what we do, but all that matters is that we improve our security and limit our interventionism.
     
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    There's definitely some of that arrogance, but it's more human than American. We just happen to be the top dog militarily at the moment.

    When we fall in power and some other nation (or nations) rise to the top, they'll eventually do the same.

    What it really comes down to is what Elbridge Gerry mentioned, "A standing army is like a standing member. It's an excellent assurance of domestic tranquility, but a dangerous temptation to foreign adventure."

    As long as we have a massive military, we'll be tempted to use it through both arrogance and corporate influence.
     
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    What you say is all too true. The founding of the USA changed nothing. Might still makes right. Empires are still ever-grasping, cruel and unjust.

    And they still fall...
     
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    But then we can't have show trials for "crimes against humanity" we have to put them up against the wall for "making us angry". Much less convincing and harder to teach in schools.
     
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    People get hurt in war, including children. Often the effects linger far past direct hostilities. Saddam could have avoided all this and still remained in power if he wanted to. He made the mistake of not believing the world would act against him.

    The death of those kids are squarely on his hands.
     
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    Islamic Imperialist propaganda spewed forth by the pedophile worshipers which has long ago debunked by numerous actual scientific studies:

    Studies indicating negligible effects

    Studies in 2005 and earlier have concluded that DU ammunition has no measurable detrimental health effects.

    A 1999 literature review conducted by the Rand Corporation stated: "No evidence is documented in the literature of cancer or any other negative health effect related to the radiation received from exposure to depleted or natural uranium, whether inhaled or ingested, even at very high doses,"[111] and a RAND report authored by the U.S. Defense department undersecretary charged with evaluating DU hazards considered the debate to be more political than scientific.[112]

    A 2001 oncology study concluded that "the present scientific consensus is that DU exposure to humans, in locations where DU ammunition was deployed, is very unlikely to give rise to cancer induction".[113] Former NATO Secretary General Lord Robertson stated in 2001 that "the existing medical consensus is clear. The hazard from depleted uranium is both very limited, and limited to very specific circumstances".[114]

    A 2002 study from the Australian defense ministry concluded that “there has been no established increase in mortality or morbidity in workers exposed to uranium in uranium processing industries... studies of Gulf War veterans show that, in those who have retained fragments of depleted uranium following combat related injury, it has been possible to detect elevated urinary uranium levels, but no kidney toxicity or other adverse health effects related to depleted uranium after a decade of follow-up.”[115] Pier Roberto Danesi, then-director of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Seibersdorf +Laboratory, stated in 2002 that "There is a consensus now that DU does not represent a health threat".[116]

    The IAEA reported in 2003 that, "based on credible scientific evidence, there is no proven link between DU exposure and increases in human cancers or other significant health or environmental impacts," although "Like other heavy metals, DU is potentially poisonous. In sufficient amounts, if DU is ingested or inhaled it can be harmful because of its chemical toxicity. High concentration could cause kidney damage." The IAEA concluded that while depleted uranium is a potential carcinogen, there is no evidence that it has been carcinogenic in humans.[117]

    A 2005 study by Sandia National Laboratories’ Al Marshall used mathematical models to analyze potential health effects associated with accidental exposure to depleted uranium during the 1991 Gulf War. Marshall’s study concluded that the reports of cancer risks from DU exposure are not supported by his analysis nor by veteran medical statistics. Marshall also examined possible genetic effects due to radiation from depleted uranium.[118] Chemical effects, including potential reproductive issues, associated with depleted uranium exposure were discussed in some detail in a subsequent journal paper. [119]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Studies_indicating_negligible_effects

    Thanks for playing.
     
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    Yes it's pure pseudoscience horse(*)(*)(*)(*) which has long ago been debunked by not one but numerous scientific studies and yet the pedophile worshipers continue on proliferating this nonsense.
     
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    Thankfully we were not successful because of opposition at home from people like you who would rather the North Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge obtain victory to kill innocent civilians in exponentially higher numbers than anything the U.S. could even have dreamed of and here you sit complaining of unexploded munitions which have killed how many people exactly? Oh FYI it was the enemy who predominantly implemented the use of land mines during the conflict.
     
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    Now here's the funny part, when people don't know anything about Vietnam and just make statements like that. Ho Chi Minh fought against the Japanese during WW2, the OSS armed him and his group, then when the war was over, instead of giving the land to the actual inhabitants(you know, democracy) the French were put back in charge, and the US supported them. When the Geneva accords gave the area a ceasefire from the insurrection Ho Chi Minh was leading, he got the north the French got the south and elections were promised in 2 years. We set up Diem, he said no elections, you know because he was a dictator who would have lost to Ho Chi Minh, and we backed that too. Then the Viet Cong tried to overthrow him, we lost the war.

    We backed a dictator against a popular government who had supported us against the Japanese. Oh and this is the same guy who modeled his declaration of independence after ours. HCM shoulda been our best buddy.
     
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    I have too much respect for you to believe this statement represents your moral values. Children suffering and dying is less important than increasing Iran's influence? Really?

    Matthew said: "Ye shall know them by their fruits." It is not envy of your alleged freedoms that caused people to fly fully laden aircraft into your tall buildings. It is not hatred of your Christianity which caused those awful acts. Europe is full of nominally Christian nations, but it was only Great Britain and Spain who suffered terrorist attacks after they joined with the US in invading Iraq.You will not be hated no matter what you do. If you are hated, it is for at least a hundred years of arrogance, exploitation, and brutality against anyone who did not support your national agenda. It is true that you are also respected for your assistance and charity to selected nations (Israel in particular) but that cuts no ice for those who have suffered death and destruction at your hands. Your military, in particular, act upon occasion like an armed rabble, and are not held accountable in the eyes of the world in general, and in the eyes of those who have suffered at their hands. If you are hated; there are reasons.
     
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    This is unmitigated poop. A friend of mine in Australia is a Vietnamese whose father and mother escaped Vietnam circa 1980. His father, who hates the Communists, says the American propaganda that the North Vietnamese slaughtered South Vietnamese civilians is baseless. There were certainly re-education camps, but no civilian slaughter occurred.

    And FYI, the Viet Cong and the Khymer Rouge were not allies in any sense - they hated each other, and it was the Vietnamese who marched into Cambodia and liberated the people from Pol Pot and his insane henchmen. While it was the United States who prompted further sanctions against Vietnam for 'invading' Cambodia. Pol Pot was recognised as the legitimate representative of Cambodia at the UN.
     
  25. The Doctor

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    He was a Soviet Comintern agent who turned actual Vietnamese nationalists over to the Japanese during WW2 for money or as he called it "fattening pigs for the slaughter".

    They were to be nation wide elections and the elections in the North would have been anything but fair.

    The Viet Cong were puppets of the North Vietnamese government who in turn were puppets for the Soviet Union as was Minh himself.

    Really? So when is the last free and fair election held by the Communists? Oh that's right they didn't hold one then and they still haven't held one to this (*)(*)(*)(*)ing day so give me a god (*)(*)(*)(*) break on your "popular government" horse(*)(*)(*)(*).

    Typical Comintern propaganda ploy to play on the sympathies of useful idiots in the west, Castro conducted similar disingenuous overtures to the west but in fact he like Minh was beholden to the Soviets.
     

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