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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    You dont see them blowing us up for our opinion????
    I'm lost. I can't tell if you're joking or not. No, I don't see anybody blowing you up. Why, have you been threatened? I'd really like to hear about it if you have been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishmatter View Post
    I'm lost. I can't tell if you're joking or not. No, I don't see anybody blowing you up. Why, have you been threatened? I'd really like to hear about it if you have been.
    Blowing skeptics up in general of which I'm a member. They have also talked about labeling us with Tattoos ala preholocost Nazi Germany.

    Surely it’s time for climate-change deniers to have their opinions forcibly tattooed on their bodies. ~Richard Glover
    And in the 10:10 video I posted they fantasize about having a little red button that could just kill us. Perhaps you find it a joke. But when you are talking about a movement that has the massive force of the world governments behind it the idea of blowing up their opponents is a very real threat.

    Moving on. It seems that once again we have a thread full of warmmonger lies. This story goes back to June 2011. When warmmonger scientists in Australia claimed that they were getting death threats. It made its way through the news cycle with no evidence what so ever presented. Naturally we skeptics wanted some proof. Forgive us if we don't exactly trust the word of warmmonger scientists. First we simply requested that the University release a sample of the claimed death threats. The University quite surprisingly refused. You figure if you had such evidence you would make it public. In the rare instances where such threats were real warmmongers wasted no time making it as public as possible. So the University's refusal to prove the threats was very out of character.

    So naturally we used the thing that ever warmmonger hates despite the fact that they love to use it against their enemies, FOIA. Naturally the University denied the FIOA request. We expect that. So its been almost a year and the Privacy Commissioner Timothy Pilgrim issued his ruling. Guess what? Of the 11 e-mails supplied to Timothy Pilgrim all of them “do not contain threats to kill” and only one of them “could be regarded as intimidating and at its highest perhaps alluding to a threat”.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2012/05/pat...a-media-blitz/

    So naturally we have a typical warmmonger smear. A claim was made without evidence. They then refused to show their evidence. They then fought an FIOA for as long as they could. And when it was all proven to be a lie they still pretend that it was true. Its also a microcosm of how they engage in science.
    Last edited by Windigo; May 04 2012 at 03:40 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishmatter View Post
    I'm lost. I can't tell if you're joking or not. No, I don't see anybody blowing you up. Why, have you been threatened? I'd really like to hear about it if you have been.
    She is probably referring to the UK made advertisement that was made as a JOKE - you know bit of British humour. The dualists have been trying to use it for ages as "proof" that the "warmists are threatening us".

    If bloggers and environmentalists thought Richard Curtis's 10:10 'No Pressure' film was the wrong way to communicate on climate change, what's the right way?

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    Behind the scenes at the 10:10 mini-movie, the Richard Curtis-scripted and Dougal Wilson directed mini-movie inspiring people to cut their carbon. Photograph: 10:10
    Rarely has so much been written about something so short-lived.

    Whatever you think about No Pressure, the Richard Curtis short film for the 10:10 climate campaign published last Thursday before its withdrawal by the campaign group less than 24 hours later, one thing is undeniable: it has generated a high pressure torrent of comment across guardian.co.uk, Twitter, the blogosphere and the press.

    First, a recap in case you missed it. The film, intended as a tongue-in-cheek spoof of hectoring greens, shows schoolkids, office workers, football manager David Ginola and actor Gillian Anderson being blown up for not signing up to cut their carbon emissions (hit Wikipedia for more detail). 10:10 has since apologised to anyone who was offended by the film - saying that it "missed the mark".

    Plenty of people on our comment threads and Twitter thought the pantomime gore in the film was hilarious. And the film's shock value has certainly exposed 10:10 to a massive amount of global press coverage, including the Daily Mail, the BBC, the Independent, the Daily Express, The Australian. Even the Sun had some fun with it in their piece headlined "Gionola 'blown up' in internet ad". It has received over 170,000 views on YouTube and postings on countless other sites
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...10-10-activism

    ((((((shrugs)))))))))))

    The Ad is not my cup of tea and we can live without it - and ironically it would be a forgotten event save for discussions like this. However I do think it is a far cry from what is amounting to cyberbullying
    Last edited by Bowerbird; May 04 2012 at 03:45 PM.
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    Blowing skeptics up in general of which I'm a member. They have also talked about labeling us with Tattoos ala preholocost Nazi Germany.



    And in the 10:10 video I posted they fantasize about having a little red button that could just kill us. Perhaps you find it a joke. But when you are talking about a movement that has the massive force of the world governments behind it the idea of blowing up their opponents is a very real threat.

    Moving on. It seems that once again we have a thread full of warmmonger lies. This story goes back to June 2011. When warmmonger scientists in Australia claimed that they were getting death threats. It made its way through the news cycle with no evidence what so ever presented. Naturally we skeptics wanted some proof. Forgive us if we don't exactly trust the word of warmmonger scientists. First we simply requested that the University release a sample of the claimed death threats. The University quite surprisingly refused. You figure if you had such evidence you would make it public. In the rare instances where such threats were real warmmongers wasted no time making it as public as possible. So the University's refusal to prove the threats was very out of character.

    So naturally we used the thing that ever warmmonger hates despite the fact that they love to use it against their enemies, FOIA. Naturally the University denied the FIOA request. We expect that. So its been almost a year and the Privacy Commissioner Timothy Pilgrim issued his ruling. Guess what? Of the 11 e-mails supplied to Timothy Pilgrim all of them “do not contain threats to kill” and only one of them “could be regarded as intimidating and at its highest perhaps alluding to a threat”.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2012/05/pat...a-media-blitz/

    So naturally we have a typical warmmonger smear. A claim was made without evidence. They then refused to show their evidence. They then fought an FIOA for as long as they could. And when it was all proven to be a lie they still pretend that it was true. Its also a microcosm of how they engage in science.
    Who is "we"

    Some anonymous person on the internet it demanding emails that have, in all probability been sent to the Federal Police? Just to let you know - the AFP is not like the FBI who are known as "Famous But incompetent" Once the matter is referred to the AFP they would not be able to release the Emails
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
    “There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.” ― Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishmatter View Post
    Do the climate deniers actually want to kill over the issue? Weird. .
    Don't know about the US but here in Australia the climate change deceivers have contributed to the suicide of many Australian farmers with restrictive green legislation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddy62 View Post
    Don't know about the US but here in Australia the climate change deceivers have contributed to the suicide of many Australian farmers with restrictive green legislation.
    Got proof?

    Because I am betting that what you are actually seeing is the result of a government that would rather blame the farmers for cutting down trees than blame the likes of BHP or Hazelwood
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
    “There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.” ― Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowerbird View Post
    Got proof?

    Because I am betting that what you are actually seeing is the result of a government that would rather blame the farmers for cutting down trees than blame the likes of BHP or Hazelwood
    Carbon dioxide, amospheric water vapour & water droplets in clouds share almost the same light absorbent frequencies so it does not matter who the government blames & punishes it will still not have much impact on climate change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddy62 View Post
    Carbon dioxide, amospheric water vapour & water droplets in clouds share almost the same light absorbent frequencies so it does not matter who the government blames & punishes it will still not have much impact on climate change.
    What a defeatist !! And I note you did not answer my question about proof - and probably because it was based on pub talk generated by the likes of Alan Jones
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
    “There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.” ― Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowerbird View Post
    What a defeatist !! And I note you did not answer my question about proof - and probably because it was based on pub talk generated by the likes of Alan Jones
    After reading your first reply a second time I am still not sure what you want the proof of.

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/...-off-his-tree/

    Anything that makes it a lot harder for some farmers to earn a living will also make life more stressful.

    The Sun, our place in the solar system, earth's unstable magnetic fields & the passage of or solar system through the Milky Way's magnetic equator this year are of more concern to me for climate change than carbon dioxide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddy62 View Post
    After reading your first reply a second time I am still not sure what you want the proof of.

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/...-off-his-tree/
    Bit more to that story seems there is more involved that just preventing someone from clearing land
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225817155039

    Anything that makes it a lot harder for some farmers to earn a living will also make life more stressful.
    Hmmmmm - like a 10 year record drought followed by record floods maybe?? Extreme weather events are part of global warming

    The Sun, our place in the solar system, earth's unstable magnetic fields & the passage of or solar system through the Milky Way's magnetic equator this year are of more concern to me for climate change than carbon dioxide.
    Okaaaaay! I will take this one at a time and slowly

    The Sun - output has not changed appreciably
    Our place in the solar system - will not change!, unless of course you are trying to refer to the Milankovitch cycles - not an issue at the moment!
    Earth's unstable magnetic fields - have not really been proven and there is NO evidence that even shifts in the magnetic poles have had a significant effect on the biosphere in the past
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal
    Passage of the solar system through the Milky ways equator - WHAT BLOODY WACKED OUT SITES HAVE YOU BEEN VISITING???

    Earth won’t physically cross the plane of our Milky Way galaxy in 2012, but Earth will cross the galactic equator in 2012. That’s nothing special! As seen from the sun, Earth does this every year – twice.
    http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essent...-plane-in-2012
    "Capitalise your gains and socialise your losses might make sense to a few, especially the few who wish to exploit others without repercussions but it does not make for a good or healthy society
    “There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.” ― Terry Pratchett

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