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  1. Default US considering arms sales to Taiwan

    The administration of President Barack Obama is raising the possibility that it could sell new jet fighter aircraft to Taiwan to help redress the island's air power deficit with China.

    In my opinion, there may be four reasons for the possible US arms sales to Taiwan.

    1. To prevent the US arms industry from going bankrupt. Well, the US could sell the weapons to China instead. By this way, the shares of the US arms industry could even soar through the ceiling.

    2. Those imperialists in the US Congress still harbour the evil motive of adding Taiwan to their territory and could never feel at ease if they don't stir up trouble now and then between the mainland and the island. As I have suggested before, those imperialists can try to move Taiwan bit by bit across the Pacific to the US by digging pails of Taiwanese soil every day and transporting them to reclaim the sea off the American coast.

    3. To use the arms sales to Taiwan as a bargaining chip to force China to halt the North Korean nuclear programme. However, North Korea has been leading China by the nose since the Korean War. Once it senses that China has given up all support to the hermit state, the North Korean regime will not hesitate to invade the South at once, knowing that the Chinese army will never allow the US military to wipe it off from the Korean Peninsula.

    4. To use the arms sales to Taiwan as a bargaining chip to force China to drop its support for Syria and Iran at the UN. If we look at the map of Iran and Syria, we could see the two countries hold more strategic value to Russia than China. Once Iran and Syria fall to the West, elements hostile to Russia can infiltrate the Central Asian states and Russia. Eventually those hostile elements may even penetrate Xinjiang from Central Asia. Whether China will veto any resolution against Syria and Iran will depend on Russia, because it will be foolish for China not to act in concert with Russia in international affairs. China needs Russia as an effective counterbalance against the US not only militarily but also in the international arena.

    What will China do if the US goes forward with its arms sales to Taiwan?

    As usual, we may expect the usual loud screams and protests, and even some naval exercises in the Taiwan Strait.

    In my opinion, such "scream murder" as described by my "sadistic" friend is absolutely useless.

    I have two suggestions which will make the US and Taiwan regret for their actions.

    1. China should consider providing port facilities to Russian warships

    2. China should suspend all trade and economic ties with Taiwan so that the island will not be able to use the money it earns from the China trade to purchase arms from the US.

    There is no point for the US to say any sweet words after hurting others. The future of Sino-US relations is bleak indeed.

    China says it opposes any US arms sales to Taiwan
    http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/chi...091203760.html

    Taiwan bill introduced in US Congress
    http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/fron.../16/2003513390

    A New Cold War between China and the US
    http://www.eurasiacritic.com/article...n-china-and-us

    Moscow: We decided to defend Damascus
    http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/261128

    Russia warns West against attack on Iran
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-e...-iran-1.406756

    The Total Collapse
    http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/

    Map of Iran, Syria and the surrounding regions.
    http://www.atlapedia.com/online/maps.../Saudi_etc.htm
    Last edited by reedak; Apr 30 2012 at 12:21 AM.
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    Your understanding of Taiwan-American Relations, Sino-American Relations, the military industrial complex, and the state of the Korea War are hilariously simplistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Ritter View Post
    Your understanding of Taiwan-American Relations, Sino-American Relations, the military industrial complex, and the state of the Korea War are hilariously simplistic.
    Hilariously simplistic? It is exactly the state of the minds of US congressmen, as stated by my idol, Dr Kishore Mahbubani, author of 'The New Asian Hemisphere: The Irresistible Shift of Global Power to the East'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reedak View Post
    Hilariously simplistic? It is exactly the state of the minds of US congressmen, as stated by my idol, Dr Kishore Mahbubani, author of 'The New Asian Hemisphere: The Irresistible Shift of Global Power to the East'.
    Then your idol is an idiot. That's not how American foreign policy works.

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    How is this any different than any of our other arms sales in our 60 plus year relationship with the government(s) of the island of Taiwan?
    The real harm is to our children. As long as we remain suspicious of the wrong people, predators will continue to have free reign to abuse innocent children. If they remain free from scrutiny because everyone else is focusing on gays and lesbians, more young lives will continue to be shattered and more parents will suffer the agonizing heartache of learning that they trusted someone who destroyed their childís future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Ritter View Post
    Then your idol is an idiot.
    You must be the genius of geniuses to call a genius an idiot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Ritter View Post
    That's not how American foreign policy works.
    By poking its nose into other nations' affairs, perhaps even under the pants.
    "The Palestinian/Israeli issue (more accurately, the conflict between Jews and Muslims) could never be resolved permanently." -- reedak

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFJEFF View Post
    How is this any different than any of our other arms sales in our 60 plus year relationship with the government(s) of the island of Taiwan?
    Taking an analogy, a man recently took over the management of a restaurant from his aged father. The first thing he did when he went to his restaurant early in the morning was warning one of the chefs there not to be late for work.

    Thinking he was indispensable because he was the best chef in the whole country, the arrogant, recalcitrant chef responded angrily, "How is my way of working here now any different than my way of working in my 60 plus year relationship with your father? I was late for work every day in the past 60 years, yet your father didn't dare to utter a single word!"
    "The Palestinian/Israeli issue (more accurately, the conflict between Jews and Muslims) could never be resolved permanently." -- reedak

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    Obama armin' Taiwan to the teeth...

    US Announces $1.8B Arms Sales for Taiwan
    Dec 16, 2015 | WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration announced Wednesday a $1.83 billion arms sale to Taiwan, the first offered by the U.S. to the self-governing island in four years. China regards Taiwan as part of its territory and has said the sale, which was expected, should be canceled to avoid harming its relations across the Taiwan Strait and between China and the U.S.
    The administration notified Congress that the proposed arms package includes two decommissioned U.S. Navy frigates, anti-tank missiles, amphibious assault vehicles, and Stinger surface-to-air missiles. There's also support for Taiwan's capabilities in intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance and a weapons system to defend against anti-ship missiles. Congress has 30 days to review the sale, but it's unlikely to raise objections. There's been mounting bipartisan concern that Taiwan is inadequately armed to defend itself against an increasingly powerful mainland China.

    David McKeeby, a State Department spokesman on political-military affairs, said the package is consistent with U.S. support for Taiwan's ability to defend itself under the Taiwan Relations Act. Republican lawmakers quickly welcomed the announcement, but called for more frequent arms sales to Taiwan. "I remain deeply concerned about the administration's delays that needlessly dragged out this process," said Rep. Ed Royce, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. "In fact, some Taiwanese requests have still not seen the light of day. We should handle arms transfers for Taiwan just as we would for any other close security partner."


    Taiwan's military fire artillery from self-propelled Howitzers during the annual Han Kuang exercises in Hsinchu, north eastern Taiwan.

    Sen. John McCain, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the U.S. must establish a more regularized process for considering Taiwan requests, "in order to avoid extended periods in which a fear of upsetting the U.S.-China relationship may harm Taiwan's defense capabilities." The administration has announced more than $12 billion in arms sales to Taiwan since 2010, but none since $5.9 billion in sales in September 2011 that included upgrades for Taiwan's F-16 fighter jets. That drew a diplomatic protest from Beijing, which suspended some military exchanges with the United States. It did not seriously impair ties. President Barack Obama has sought greater cooperation with China on issues such as climate change, and the two sides have increased military exchanges to reduce the risk of conflict. But at the same time, relations have been roiled by China's construction of artificial islands in the South China Sea and allegations of Chinese cyber theft.

    In Beijing on Tuesday, China's Foreign Ministry issued a stern warning that the sale threatened relations with the U.S. On Wednesday, Ma Xiaoguang, China's spokesman for the Cabinet's Taiwan Affairs Office, reiterated China's opposition to arms sales to Taiwan from any country and called for Taiwan to "treasure" improved relations with the mainland. Relations across the Taiwan Strait have undergone a steady improvement over the past two decades, especially under the China-friendly administration of Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou.

    http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...es-taiwan.html

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    The dynamic where China pretends Taiwan isn't an independent country even though they've done everything, including military, independently since the country was founded is pretty odd.
    The cone of shame is a social construct. It also keeps you from biting yourself.

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    Mebbe dey gonna quit buyin' our debt?...

    China Threatens Sanctions Over US Arms Sale to Taiwan
    December 17, 2015 - The Obama administration's Wednesday announcement that it plans to sell $1.83 billion in arms to Taiwan has drawn official protest from China, which is threatening arms manufacturers with sanctions.
    China's Vice Foreign Minister Zheng Zeguang summoned U.S. Charge d'Affaires Kaye Lee, the second-highest ranking U.S. diplomat in Beijing. The Chinese foreign ministry said in a statement that Zheng said China will "take necessary measures, including the imposition of sanctions against companies participating in the arms sale to Taiwan." The U.S. State Department formally notified Congress Wednesday of its plan to sell two naval warships, anti-tank missiles, amphibious assault vehicles and Stinger surface-to-air missiles. It's the first arms package sale to Taiwan in four years. China regards Taiwan as part of its territory, and has threatened to invade the island if it declares its independence. A spokesman for China's foreign ministry urged the Obama administration to cancel the sale "and do something more conducive for China-U.S. relations and the peaceful development of the cross-Strait relations."

    U.S. State Department spokesman David McKeeby said the deal is consistent with the U.S. commitment to provide sufficient weapons to maintain Taiwan's ability to defend itself. The massive contract, which includes two Perry-class Frigates, Javelin anti-tank missiles, TOW 2B anti-tank missiles, AAV-7 Amphibious Assault Vehicles and a range of other equipment, comes at a time of reconciliation between China and Taiwan, which have been separated since 1949. The deal also coincides with Washington's worries that Beijing is militarizing parts of the South China Sea. The White House decision found wide support Thursday on Capitol Hill, with lawmakers from both parties expressing praise for the deal. "I have always felt very kindly toward the brave people of Taiwan, who faces all kinds of threats [and] bullying by the Beijing government, and ... I think the U.S. needs to stand behind Taiwan and help them in any way they can," said Congressman Eliot Engel (D-NY), ranking member on the House Foreign Affairs Committee.


    Taiwan

    Republicans also welcomed the arms sale, but criticized the Obama administration for delaying action. "We need for it to be over and done with," said Congressman Randy Weber (R-TX). "They need those arms.Ē China analyst Ian Easton of the Project 2049 Institute called the sale "a strategic message" that signals "a renewed commitment to a free, democratic and secure Taiwan." "And that makes it very important at the strategic level, and also important at the tactical level," he told VOA. "The most important thing is the political message that it sent to Beijing and Taipei."

    According to Asia military expert Richard Fisher of the International Assessment and Strategy Center, the sale is critical to maintaining peaceable cross-strait relations. ďOur arms sales to Taiwan, continued arm sales, make it possible [to maintain] what [China's] foreign minister called for the peaceful development of cross strait relations," he said. "It gives Taiwan the confidence that it requires to go forward in its attempt to fashion a peaceful relationship with China."He also said the deal serves to preserve peaceful U.S.-China relations. Although Washington does not formally recognize Taiwan's government, federal law requires the United States to sell arms to the self-ruled island.

    http://www.voanews.com/content/china...n/3106891.html

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