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    Quote Originally Posted by Greataxe View Post
    I really should be more angry at the church leaders who wildly misinterpret the Bible, as they are most at fault. Some blame has got to fall on those who won't even try to read the Bible, or even just the four gospels, and then justifly legal arguments about who or what to believe without having a deep understanding.

    So do you follow Paul or Jesus? Did they contradict the OT or each other?

    The liberal Christians basically say that you only have to believe in Jesus and love others, and the OT laws, really, even the ten commandment don't all apply now. Then why do Jesus and Paul still cover them in Matt: 5:21-48, and Romans 13:8-10 and tell people to follow them if they no longer apply? The fact is the moral laws still do apply. Jesus said in Matt 5:17-20: "Do not think I came to abolish the law or the prophets, I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truely I tell you, until heaven and earth disapper (yes the earth is still here), not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of the pen, will by any means disappear from the law until all is accomplished.

    Because Jesus is the perfect sacrfice, and the new word is for every person on the earth, ritual and ceremonial acts and laws no longer apply. In Mark: 7:14-19 Jesus said all foods are clean to eat, and so did Peter in Acts 10:15 and as Paul did many times.

    So I follow what both Jesus and Paul says, Liberal Christians really only follow what liberal Christians want to believe.
    But..... you are a cafeteria Christian, just like the ones you so readily condemn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greataxe View Post
    "If you love me you will obey my commands." This passage in John 14:15 dosen't get much airtime in progressive Christian movement. These pseudo-Christians, like so many in the faith, take only what interests them in the Bible and what is supportive of their agenda, and ignore or explain away the rest. Feel-good passages that call to love one another and to forgive are not the end-all, be-all commands of Jesus.

    So many in the faith are confused by ceremonial laws and customs in the Bible: don't eat this, dress this way or worship this way, etc. These laws are not important for relevant Christians. What is important are the moral laws of the Bible. The Ten Commandmants, moral laws against homosexuality, beastiality, rape and so on as found in the the first five books in the Bible. Jesus was even more restrictive on divorce than the laws of the OT (old testament). Even though Christ didn't directly say not to have same-sex relations or partake in beastiality, these acts were so perverse that the people of the day did not have a problem with these perversions, and there was no pressing need to reiterate them.

    The "new covenent," some liberals say, calls for them only to believe in Jesus, and then do whatever they want. Jesus was firm on the OT "law." False believers will be judged on their actions. Jesus said in Matt 7:23 "But I will reply, I never knew you, Get away from me you who break God's laws." Anyone who supports the gay lifestyle is not a follower of Christ any more than someone who supports beastiality or rape.

    Can anyone show in the Bible where God changes even one of his moral laws? Anyone?
    And now it's time for another episode of everybody's least favorite game show - "MY BIBLE IS BETTER THAN YOUR BIBLE!"

    You've already ignored shellfish, beards, and a bunch of other inconsequential stuff that got mentioned in the same breath as the anti-gay stuff, but you didn't bring it up and I doubt you consider any of it particularly important, but it's there in black and white. So either you're as bad a Christian as the people you're trying to bait or you have the magic decoder key that tells special people which parts of the Bible are literal and which aren't.

    It really seems like your focus on homosexuality and bestiality has nothing to do with the handful of mentions each merits in the big book and a lot to do with you. Give it a rest and picket lobster fishermen for a while or people are going to think you've got an unhealthy obsession.

    Oh, and congratulations. Your interpretation of the Bible is the true and correct word of God. Go and stand in line with the ten million other geniuses who think the same thing but keep your opinions to yourself or there'll be a lot of disagreeing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greataxe View Post
    Wow, I didn't realize that people thousands of years ago were so stupid and savage. I guess any ignorant simpleton who could believe in any God would be too unenlightened to make the pyramids or other complex sturctures without modern equipment 3 or 4 thousand years ago. I would also guess your knowledge of the Bible isn't any better than those of the great people you look up to.
    We have a pretty good idea how the pyramids were built and I don't know how belief in god(s) played a part, except maybe as inspiration. The Egyptians, when they started building all that stuff about 3000 BCE might have believed in Gods, but none of them was the Christian one.

    They weren't stupid. They were ignorant, comparatively speaking, just as we are of the people who'll live 5000 years from now. They had a solid sense of rudimentary math and geometry but modern chemistry, physics, biology, cosmology and even geography were unknown to them. People back then invented gods to explain things they couldn't. They did the best they could but thankfully we can do better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greataxe View Post
    I really should be more angry at the church leaders who wildly misinterpret the Bible, as they are most at fault. Some blame has got to fall on those who won't even try to read the Bible, or even just the four gospels, and then justifly legal arguments about who or what to believe without having a deep understanding.
    I don't care who you want to blame. You seem to be just as much the problem as any of the ones you listed.

    So do you follow Paul or Jesus? Did they contradict the OT or each other?
    I don't follow either.

    The liberal Christians basically say that you only have to believe in Jesus and love others, and the OT laws, really, even the ten commandment don't all apply now. Then why do Jesus and Paul still cover them in Matt: 5:21-48, and Romans 13:8-10 and tell people to follow them if they no longer apply? The fact is the moral laws still do apply. Jesus said in Matt 5:17-20: "Do not think I came to abolish the law or the prophets, I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truely I tell you, until heaven and earth disapper (yes the earth is still here), not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of the pen, will by any means disappear from the law until all is accomplished.

    Because Jesus is the perfect sacrfice, and the new word is for every person on the earth, ritual and ceremonial acts and laws no longer apply. In Mark: 7:14-19 Jesus said all foods are clean to eat, and so did Peter in Acts 10:15 and as Paul did many times.

    So I follow what both Jesus and Paul says, Liberal Christians really only follow what liberal Christians want to believe.
    And yet you advocate following the Bible piecemeal. You really only follow what you want to believe.

    And, after everything is said and done, that's fine. It's how most religious adherents operate.
    But stop being a hypocrite about it; don't bash someone when you're doing the exact same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishmatter View Post
    We have a pretty good idea how the pyramids were built and I don't know how belief in god(s) played a part, except maybe as inspiration. The Egyptians, when they started building all that stuff about 3000 BCE might have believed in Gods, but none of them was the Christian one.

    They weren't stupid. They were ignorant, comparatively speaking, just as we are of the people who'll live 5000 years from now. They had a solid sense of rudimentary math and geometry but modern chemistry, physics, biology, cosmology and even geography were unknown to them. People back then invented gods to explain things they couldn't. They did the best they could but thankfully we can do better.
    I've heard two theories on the building of the pyramids. There's the one where slaves piled those 50 tons blocks every three seconds for fifty years to build one pyramid. And there's the theory the aliens built them. Which one are you going with?

    BTW, modern technology can't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greataxe View Post
    I really should be more angry at the church leaders who wildly misinterpret the Bible, as they are most at fault. Some blame has got to fall on those who won't even try to read the Bible, or even just the four gospels, and then justifly legal arguments about who or what to believe without having a deep understanding.

    So do you follow Paul or Jesus? Did they contradict the OT or each other?

    The liberal Christians basically say that you only have to believe in Jesus and love others, and the OT laws, really, even the ten commandment don't all apply now. Then why do Jesus and Paul still cover them in Matt: 5:21-48, and Romans 13:8-10 and tell people to follow them if they no longer apply? The fact is the moral laws still do apply. Jesus said in Matt 5:17-20: "Do not think I came to abolish the law or the prophets, I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truely I tell you, until heaven and earth disapper (yes the earth is still here), not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of the pen, will by any means disappear from the law until all is accomplished.

    Because Jesus is the perfect sacrfice, and the new word is for every person on the earth, ritual and ceremonial acts and laws no longer apply. In Mark: 7:14-19 Jesus said all foods are clean to eat, and so did Peter in Acts 10:15 and as Paul did many times.

    So I follow what both Jesus and Paul says, Liberal Christians really only follow what liberal Christians want to believe.
    You believe what Constantine wants you to believe, which is what his priests put in the Catholic bible. You would rather believe that than know the truth. The less you know, the more you believe. You are to be pitied, for you are lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greataxe View Post
    "If you love me you will obey my commands." This passage in John 14:15 dosen't get much airtime in progressive Christian movement. These pseudo-Christians, like so many in the faith, take only what interests them in the Bible and what is supportive of their agenda, and ignore or explain away the rest. Feel-good passages that call to love one another and to forgive are not the end-all, be-all commands of Jesus.

    So many in the faith are confused by ceremonial laws and customs in the Bible: don't eat this, dress this way or worship this way, etc. These laws are not important for relevant Christians. What is important are the moral laws of the Bible. The Ten Commandmants, moral laws against homosexuality, beastiality, rape and so on as found in the the first five books in the Bible. Jesus was even more restrictive on divorce than the laws of the OT (old testament). Even though Christ didn't directly say not to have same-sex relations or partake in beastiality, these acts were so perverse that the people of the day did not have a problem with these perversions, and there was no pressing need to reiterate them.

    The "new covenent," some liberals say, calls for them only to believe in Jesus, and then do whatever they want. Jesus was firm on the OT "law." False believers will be judged on their actions. Jesus said in Matt 7:23 "But I will reply, I never knew you, Get away from me you who break God's laws." Anyone who supports the gay lifestyle is not a follower of Christ any more than someone who supports beastiality or rape.

    Can anyone show in the Bible where God changes even one of his moral laws? Anyone?
    Deuteronomy:
    22.23 If a damsel who is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband, and a man find her in the city and lie with her,
    22.24 then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones, that they die — the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city, and the man,because he hath humbled his neighbor’s wife; so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

    John 8: 5-9
    The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there.

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    Also, how do you feel about fathers getting drunk and impregnating their daughters and dashing the heads of infants on the rocks?

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    The other day I walked into an episcopal church mainly to check out the architecture (was constructed in the 30's when someone from the church came to talk to me.

    him: hello
    me: hi, nice place
    him: thank you
    me: so what all are your guys beliefs?
    him: well we focus on christ and his love
    me: awesome, me too
    him: and because of that we don't judge anyone, all are welcome, old, young, gay straight, transgender
    me: I see, what uh, what bible do you guys use?
    him: king james
    me: oh, straight for that one huh?
    him: yeah, and since we're a progressive church....
    me: sorry to cut you off, so, uh, how do you guys justify your beliefs when they go against the bible?
    him: well, we focus on christ's love..
    me: uh huh, me too. You know, the word of God is not exactly a progressive word. Even Christ, is not exactly a progressive.
    him: well, we are definitely not what you would call fundamentalists
    me: no, no i wouldn't. Alright well you have a wonderful day
    him: take care now, thanks for coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gophangover View Post
    I've heard two theories on the building of the pyramids. There's the one where slaves piled those 50 tons blocks every three seconds for fifty years to build one pyramid. And there's the theory the aliens built them. Which one are you going with?

    BTW, modern technology can't do it.
    There are far more than the two theories you propose, so I'm going to have to go with neither.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gophangover View Post
    I've heard two theories on the building of the pyramids. There's the one where slaves piled those 50 tons blocks every three seconds for fifty years to build one pyramid. And there's the theory the aliens built them. Which one are you going with?

    BTW, modern technology can't do it.
    Third theory: It was a completly normal job to build pyramides for egyptians.

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