Romney Losing Ground To Obama While Paul Collects Delegates

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  1. Woogs

    Woogs Well-Known Member

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    I know it's early still, but no Romney supporter can see this as a good thing. Even with the RNC teaming up with the 'presumptive nominee', Mitt has lost ground (an 11 point swing) in the past week. At least we'll have a choice in Tampa.

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    Breaking News

    Mitt Romney has experienced an eleven point swing in his poll numbers vs. President Obama in just over one week, according to a daily tracking poll of likely voters from Rasmussen Reports. Just over a week ago, Romney was leading President Obama by eight percentage points at 50 - 42%. In today's poll, the President leads Romney by three percentage points at 47 - 44%.

    While it is early in the election season, such a dramatic shift in the President's favor cannot be seen as good news for Governor Romney.

    To make matters worse for the Romney team, Congressman Paul continues to gain on Romney by racking up delegates in state after state. This weekend, Congressman Paul won thirty-two out of forty delegates in Minnesota, further narrowing Governor Romney's delegate lead heading into the GOP national convention in August.

    The sagging Romney poll numbers relative to the President's numbers and the continuing excitement behind the Ron Paul campaign, has some pundits questioning whether Congressman Paul might actually be a better GOP candidate than Governor Romney in the long run.

    Congressman Paul has an activated volunteer base and a well organized ground game, while Romney's support tends to be money-driven and top-down. Furthermore, while Governor Romney is sliding, Congressman Paul has been even with President Obama in the same Rasmussen poll, although there are no new numbers for Paul vs. Obama this week. If these numbers stay the same or get worse for Governor Romney, and Congressman Paul's star continues to rise, come August, GOP delegates in Tampa may be faced with a difficult decision if they want to beat President Obama.


    http://www.examiner.com/article/romney-losing-ground-to-obama-while-paul-collects-delegates
     
  2. Objectivism

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    that's the point, though, who can beat obama? paul can, nuff said
     
  3. Woogs

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    This is not news to me, but it's the first time I've seen ANY media come out with it. Up to now, it's always been "Romney is inevitable" and "Paul is unelectable". Even given that, RP is doing quite well. He has a dedicated, well-organized base of support that any candidate would envy. Romney?...not so much. He has only gotten as far as he has by a constant push from the MSM and RNC, not to mention all the money he's given to candidates around the country in order to secure endorsements. Gov. Nikki Haley of S. Carolina is a good example of that.

    Meanwhile, RP has been chugging along.

    Hey, folks, it doesn't have to be Goldman-Sachs vs Goldman-Sachs this November.
     
  4. ConsAreVile

    ConsAreVile Banned

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    Ron Paul is a loon who supports segregation.
     
  5. Wildjoker5

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    Where has he said that?
     
  6. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    Ron Paul is not electable or he wouldn't have to sneak in to the convention using behind-the-scenes tactics. If Ron Paul was electable, and people wanted him, they would have voted for him in the primaries. You can't point at every single primary and say Ron Paul lost because the GOP cheated. People simply didn't vote for him, and there's no reason to think that they would choose his absurd neo-anarchy now when they didn't want it in the primaries. They would very likely still vote for Romney whether he was the official nominee or not. Let me say this though, the voters are NOT going to be pleased if Paul does end up the mathematical nominee, and there are no behind-the-scenes funky cold medina tactics available to him in the general election.
     
  7. Woogs

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    Following the Party rules and using proper parliamentary procedure is not sneaking in. As for using behind-the-scenes tactics, that would be Romney. And he still can't get it done.

    It says a lot about a campaign where the front runner can't get it together enough to cement the 'victories' from the beauty contests. With all the advantages the establishment has given Romney, he still can't seal the deal when it actually counts against an under-funded challenger. So, how do you think he would fare against an incumbent, where he (Romney) would be the under-funded challenger?
     
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    Romney is pulling in more money than Obama is right now, and public sentiment against Obama is pretty high. Then consider that the Republican convention hasn't happened yet, and the election isn't until the fall. Once it gets closer, people will throw their support behind one or the other. One thing is certain though. People have not, at any time be it now or in 2008, thrown their support behind Paul. It's never happened.

    And yes, he's following the rules, and I've never claimed otherwise, but that doesn't change the fact that he's sneaking in the back door, and that's exactly how it's going to appear to the voters who DIDN'T vote for him. You can't ignore the power of appearance in politics, and if Paul manages a coup at the convention, and walks on stage as the nominee, there are going to be quite a bit of people bewildered and angry that the guy who got the most votes is not the guy getting the nomination. It does not matter if the rules say Paul can do what he's doing, people expect the guy that gets the most votes to be the guy who wins, be it in the primaries or the general election. Ignorant of the rules or not, it does not matter, because those are the people Paul will need to vote for him to win the general election, where there is no back door to sneak in through. Paul has proven he does not have what it takes to win the popular vote in any contest pertaining to the presidency.
     
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    LOL. Care to back up that false claim with a source? No blogs please.
     
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    Only "behind the scenes" cause the media wont report it. Paul has stated this was his tactic PUBLICLY from the beginning. This is the GOPs rules they planned to use to get Romney the nomination if Romney wasn't winning the popular vote.
     
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    Yep he started saying it back in August.....
     
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    Ron Paul is opposed to the civil rights act. Specifically the part that forbids places from practicing racial discrimination and segregation. I get it - he cares more about the business owner's rights to be a bigot than about civil rights. That's his choice, but it's why I'd never support this loon.
     
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    He cares more about individual rights to be an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) than an over powering government forcing people to do what they don't want to do. If the government can force a PRIVATE business owner to serve everyone, what is to stop the government from telling them who they should hire....oh, thats right, they do that already.

    The fact is, if the black manager of a Golden Corral wants to deny the KKK from holding a peaceful gathering in the banquet room, he should have that right.
     
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    I believe the civil rights act does not bar a business owner from refusing to accommodate a political or social movement's meeting in their establishment.
     
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    Could they easily say they were discriminated cause of their race?

    Lets put this in today enviroment with no civil rights act.

    You have one pizza place open its doors. This place wont serve "colors". There is heat from the community but the owners keep up the policy.

    There is a second pizza place that opens up that serves everyone and the pizza is the same quality. Who do you think will go out of business first?
     
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    To answer your first question, I doubt they could make a valid claim as long as the owner is willing to serve other white people who don't happen to be part of a KKK meeting.

    To answer your second question, that would really depend on the community, but we don't need to do these thought experiments since we know there were plenty of businesses serving "whites only" that were doing fine with that practice until the Civil Rights Act forced them to stop.
     
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    To answer your first question, I doubt they could make a valid claim as long as the owner is willing to serve other white people who don't happen to be part of a KKK meeting.

    To answer your second question, that would really depend on the community, but we don't need to do these thought experiments since we know there were plenty of businesses serving "whites only" that were doing fine with that practice until the Civil Rights Act forced them to stop.
     
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    Romney has always been a fluff guy. He was the strawman put up to keep voters eyes off Ron Paul. Now the stick house is collapsing. good.


    Write in Ron Paul 2012.
     
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    Wrong again. You should have stuck to your old screen name. Oh nevermind you got banned.
     
  20. ConsAreVile

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    How am I wrong?
     
  21. MisLed

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    notice how the media ignores Romney. totally. UNLESS he makes what they can pass off as a mistake. It is incumbent on the american people to throw out Obama and his media supporters to show the media that we are on to them and the america destroying democrats and their america hating allies.
     
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    I'm not sure what news outlets you're watching, but I see news on Romney all the time.
     
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    Yeah guy, the media pays attention to Romney, he's going to be one of the major party nominees.
     

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