hitler didnt have a plan to exterminate the jews

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  1. RiseAgainst

    RiseAgainst Banned

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    Sure, a couple of dick heads will come along and claim "the nazis were sooo smart, they were careful to keel it secret"

    And they make an excellent point, the same authorities who lie to us about precisely everything are telling the truth here.
     
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    Post a link that proves your claim or be reported as a troll.
     
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    I have never seen proof that hitler had this elaborate plan.

    Your need to silence people is telling.
     
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    I don't know, he certainly didn't like them very much. In his book he blamed them for causing nearly every major conflict in history. What did they mean by the "final solution to the Jewish question."?
     
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    So?

    There is no proof he meant genocide.
     
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    Except for the fact he committed genocide against the Jews? lol.
     
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    So? Was he right on that?

    I don't think so always sounded like scapegoating to me.

    I didn't say there was, but that does indicate that they had some kind of solution in mind. What was it? Harrasment into self deportation or what? It's clear he wasn't just going to let them hang around Berlin.
     
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    No he didnt. Alot of various kinds of people became prisoners of war in Germany during WWII.

    People just love focusing on Jews for whatever reason.

    Not to mention theywouldnt exist if he "committed genocide"
     
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    I just think that people are welcome to their opinions, it doesnt mean they have genocide in mind.
     
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    Well he had something in mind, and it obviously wasn't good, and it was based on persecution of their particular religious belief. Does it really matter if he was trying to wipe them out or simply ruin their lives in some other form or fashion. Do you think he would have lost any sleep if they had been wiped out? I mean if the best we have to defend the man with is "Well ya he hated Jews, He had some sort of plan to ruin them just because they were Jews, and he was willing to kill a (*)(*)(*)(*)load of them in the process just because they were Jews, but he wasn't trying to kill ALL of them, and he killed a lot of other people too.". I'm not exactly walking away from the conversation with any new feelings about the man.
     
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    What?...

    ... ya never heard of the Final Solution?
    :shock:
     
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    I hear alot of things. I see no proof.

    "History is written by the victors"

    Etc etc
     
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    Oh stop it.

    I have encountered more Atheist and Agnostic Jews than religious ones.
     
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    The German national socialists built concentration camps and the chambers in which Jews would meet their death. They gathered Jews from every town in Germany, Austria, and Poland and herded them on trains headed to work camps. They systematically exterminated Jews, Christians, and Gypsies by the millions. What about this shows a lack of planning and premeditation.

    And you don't even provide some sort of link? You just throw something like this out there and think the burden of proof is on us? Your OP is 2 lines long, spills out an outrageous claim, and offers no constructive argument to buttress it. It defies history, logic, and common sense to try to float the notion that Germans accidentally murdered several million Jews. And then you go on a persecution rant about having the truth that the big bad authorities are trying to sequester. What hate must burn in your heart to put this out on the internet. Are you trying to radicalize young white men? This OP fails on every level and is shameful.
     
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    yeap riseagainst knows this. my view is with Rommel [​IMG] he wanted him assassinated , and Germany might of won the war with another leader rommel knew the art of war was not being followed by hitler.
    http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/05/07/212638.html
     
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    In 1940's Germany!? you're older than I thought.

    Fine then it was based on ethnicity. Either way it's punitive action based on prejudice.
     
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    and why was rommel assassinated silence ..[​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
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    Dont get all sensitive man.

    Look, lots of people died during WWII, and the Nazis kill people from a wide range of groups, and many died from starvation because they were tight on resources.

    And i am not even white. For what purpose would i want to radicalize white people?
     
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    Must be why the Germans in the various trial used the defence that the Holocaust didn't happen.

    Oh wait.
     
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    Yes, I'm very sensitive to any plot to mitigate, distort, or excuse what happened to millions of my fellow human beings. It seems from your post you can't distinquish between those who die in a war and those unarmed civilians who are herded into a slaughterhouse and murdered for no other reason than their religion or ethnicity. You haven't addressed my solid argument that lays waste to your feckless claim, and you continue to feign persecution. You refuse to support your rash claim with any kind of evidence, and then you wonder why anyone would think you're trying to radicalize neo-nazis. What the hell happened to you? I guess I haven't been here long enough, but I've never seen you post crap like this or your other thread defending fascism.
     
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    When claims about the holocaust, for example, the sixmillionjews part, cannot be proven and in fact the evidence suggests it is more like a million, the burden of proof now goes on the defenders of the official story. Their credibility is diminishing.

    And sometimes, in life, we defend our enemies, unwittingly.

    So be careful who you call your friends.

    Be careful who you declare your enemy.
     
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    Hitler did not maintain an elaborate plan of extermination, but certainly helped perpetuate it through his comments at a 1940 ministerial meeting concerning the Jews of Eastern Europe. The task of execution, however, was reserved to General Reinhard Heydrich, who organized the 1942 Wansee Conference where the final solution to the "Jewish question" was presented and agreed upon. By the way, at that conference, of which I have had the pleasure of studying the documentation of recorded minutes, which were to be burned, the desired amount of deaths was to be around 11 million. Approximately 6 million were killed, about a 55 percent death rate. If we are to take your supposed approximation of 1 million at face value, the death rate is less 10 percent, a rather dubious statistic considering the amount of Jews currently in Europe is slightly above 1.4 million. Did all the other ~10 million Jews die from other causes such as war or flee to other countries? I find this hard to believe.
     
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    Now you're just reaching with neo-nazi progaganda that you still refuse to support. I am very selective in who I call my friends. And anyone who hates Jews, is no friend of mine.
     
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    No proof has ever been shown that "the final solution" meant genocide.
     
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    Except for the deliberately constructed work camps complete with execution chambers, the Jews that were gathered and transported by train to those camps, and the awful aftermath caught on film if thousands of Jewish cadavers heaped into a pile.

    Other than that, you're right. No proof.
     
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