Let me see if I get this...the "purpose behind the 2nd Amendment" is...

so that the Federal government, backed by a military armed with Bradley Fighting Vehicles, Apache gunships, F/A-18 Hornets, Predator drones, Tomahawk missiles, fuel-air bombs, daisy cutters and one of the best trained ground forces in the world, remains too "scared" to "impose a tyranny"....


Due to this guy and several others like him having a handgun????

 

Actually, the original intent of it was to make sure that there were armed militia to protect the country when the regular army was not able to. The need for this type of militia was replaced by the Militia act of 1903, which created the national guard, and brought them all under an organized banner.

 

Naturally, I'm not talking the original intent of the 2nd Amendment or logic or sanity....

I'm talking about what I have seen offered from the "Gun Right" as to the "real purpose of the 2nd Amendment".

Apparently Luther and Earl and Fred Jr. and their over-under shotguns and Glocks are the only thing keeping one of the greatest and most highly advanced militaries in the world from turning against them and supporting a tyrannical government.

 

Wrong of course the National guard and reserves did not succeed the militia. They merely sought to place it a bit further from the need to go into actual combat. One other thing by the way the current US military is largely composed of people like and related to Zeke and Luther and Fred. It is rather unlikely that they will actually attack their own. In fact our current army is far more likely to attack any white house incumbent who attempts to become a dictator. The primary threat this days is the various and sundry state and local police forces.

 

I agree.

but then...that completely GUTS the argument that the 2nd Amendment is about "preventing" or "overthrowing" a tyranny, doesn't it???

 

The "original intent" was made obsolete by he advent of tanks and airplanes.

 

Nope such a tyrranny would not rely on the army but the police forces.

 

Yep.

Two other points:

1) The military wouldn't be able to hold itself together, as you could rest assured that there would be large scale defection.
2) Ragtag militants in the Middle East have done a fair job of giving the worlds most advanced military machine a run for it's money. There is no reason to believe that American citizens could not adopt similar tactics. There is no reason to believe that other nations might have an interest in supplying 'rebels' with different types of armaments.

On the other hand though, if we were a nation of hoplophobes, with no weaponry to speak of, it'd quite easy for a tyrannical government to steamroll right over us.

 

Fine. The Atlanta PD is under the control and command of a brutal dictator in Washington DC. 82nd Airborne, loyal patriots (no sarcasm whatsoever) drops in to Atlanta and knocks them out of commission. With the cops using handguns and shotguns...and the 82nd using joint support from Apache gunships and a few Bradleys.....

what need is there for some fat idiot with ZERO training to grab his 30-06 deer rifle and "join up" with the 82nd?

None. So again....the supposed "We need the 2nd Amendment to prevent a tyranny" crap...is crap.

 

1. So you're now denigrating the US military and its espirit de corps and patriotism? Or saying there would be mass defections...and therefore (again) NO NEED for civilians to take up arms, since there would be 1000s of well-trained MILITARY troops to go after the dictatorship?

2. I thought all the other countries were "Marxist socialists Euro-trash and Chinese" that "hated us"? Why would they support rebels?

 

Sure... make fun of the fat guy, they don't have feelings.

Haven't we been fighting wars for the last decade... basically on surface of the moon... with a bunch of folk living in biblical times culturally in mud huts and caves?

Don't be daft. Yes, an armed populace is a dangerous thing to those who would wish to occupy.

 

Sorry no the military would simply be too involved and to busy overseas to deal come home and deal with a tyrant wanna be. And lets not forget that you tin pot dictaor wannabe would almost certainly have at his disposal, probably the entirety of the BATF, part of the FBI, part of the CIA (let's not forget that Fouche served the king of France, the Directorate, Napoleon and then again the King of France.

 

Are U.S. service members supposed to be complete drones?

Are you mad that you didn't think of this possibility before laughing at the idea of armed citizens engaging in armed combat with the military?

I'm assuming that you actually think this, as I've never once eluded to such an idea.

But to answer your question; why do you think nations intervene in the affairs of other nations? Out of the goodness of their hearts?

 

Except for all the dictatorships that used the military. LOL

 

Vietnam and Iraq seemed to to stand up to them pretty well. Afganistan will eventually be returned to the Taliban so it is possible. The militia the 2nd Amendment is talking about is not the illegal paramilitary groups that many seem to think of as militias. Local and state elected officials would be responsible for actual citizens militia. Regulating that militia is and should be their responsibility. The states themselves should decide what weapons are allowed within their borders.

 

When was the last time a foreign power (or, for that matter, the Indians) attacked Connecticut?

Just how could these so-called "militias" have protected us from 9/11? With their little Glocks and AR-15s?

 

Give you a minute to Google....

How many active duty military personnel are currently within the United States?

How many Apache AH-46 attack helicopters does the BATF currently have under its command and control?

 

No one claims these militias would have prevented 9/11.

The argument is a strawman and moot.

 

How well did the most powerful military in world prevent 9/11? The only plane that did not reach it's target was because of heroic citizens on the plane.

 

How many civilians are currently within the United States?

How many civilian helicopter pilots are there?

How many would defect?

Your position seems to imply that the government is out to annihilate us. A tyrannical government would seek only to control us, and our resources. We are what we are because of who we are. You can't just blow everybody up... so it becomes a question of "Can the active military occupy and control a whole lotta resources, city centers, etc... when the citizens are well armed?"

Not even addressing those who would splinter from the military and refuse to commit atrocities on their own people.

I don't think it would be as easy as you think.

 

You obviously do not 'get it'...Te purpose of the 2nd Amendment was that individual citizens would always have access to arms and tens of millions of s do...Pretty simply actually.

 

Those who wish to maintain this "Red Dawn starring Glenn Beck & Ron Paul" fantasy (for 2nd Amendment discussion purposes) face a few daunting challenges....

primarily is a way to "dispose" of a large portion of the United States Military. Either to question their patriotism ("Most will support the dictator") or to question their ability to fight off local police or that vast military giant...the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms and therefore their NEED for a bunch of un-trained, likely-out-of-shape, never-seen-combat civilians...armed with handguns and hunting rifles (even those modified to full auto) in order to take down such fantastically well-armed food inspectors at the USDA or the Department of Energy windmill scientists or Myrtle and Ralph from the TSA over at Reagan International.

Otherwise, they look a little silly. Either saying that your average auto mechanic or accountant or UPS driver will bring down one of the largest, most technologically advanced militaries in the world.....or that that same large, technologically advanced military will NEED mechanics and accountants and UPS drivers who at this very moment are looking down past their keyboards at a 30 pound beer belly and start breathing heavily when they have to mow the lawn with the powered push-mower.

WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!

 

Exactly! That ragtag force of opposition in the Middle East couldn't put up as good of an opposition as our our militia (using the original sense of the work, in example Minutemen).

 

See above. Do the "I'll be a Revolutionary, just like Geo. Washington" types call the military mostly evil...or mostly helpless?

 

Yes, the Syrian dictator is having such a easy time with that rebellion. You think the U.S. would be able to bomb it's own people without the same results?