King Introduces Birthright Citizenship Bill

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  1. yes/no

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    This is far from the right thing. If a child is born in America, they are American. The end.
     
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    If the parents are here illegally, the child isn't really American. Its whatever its parents are since the parents never should be here in the first place. This isn't a case of a military wife living on a base who happens to be French, which is what the anchor baby concept was supposed to protect. It was never designed to allow people to rush the border pregnant, then have a kid in our hospital at the tax payers expense, then have the parents collect Medicaid to take care of the child who's now a citizen. These people are scum and I couldn't care les about their plight or whatever hardships they have endured, because they esentially add nothing productive to society besides sucking away our resources.

    A huge step forward would be for us to adopt what many other countries do regarding illegals having babies.
     
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    But the problem with this reasoning is that it allows the parents, whom may not have immigrated to the USA legally, to become de-facto legal immigrants, as we as a country are not cold-hearted enough to seperate families and send the parents back to their country of origin.

    This causes a massive incentive for illegals to come to the USA and have a child so they can stay as long as they want. Don't you see this as a problem?
     
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    "not cold-hearted enough to seperate families"

    If the parents are deported, it's not the USA separating the families...........it's the parents doing it!
     
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    Does this apply retro-active so that Michelle Malkin the anchor-baby gets booted along with McCain ?
     
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    Stop using logic. You have to look at it from a liberal perspective when it comes to criminals(and they ARE criminals) and pass the blame to ANYONE other than the people who are actually breaking the laws. Liberals look at it and say how dare the US hurt those poor children. Logical people look at the parents and wonder how selfish they are to have a child just so they can stay in a country and get free tax funded care. Please liberals....TELL us with a straight face that someone who purposely has a child to escape whatever problems they're having, are GOOD people? Is that what life is to certain people....a meal ticket? Your child is a get out of jail free card? How selfish and perverse is that?

    The US isn't hurting anyone illegal. The illegals are the ones in the wrong as soon as they step foot across the border. Trying to shift the blame to make Republicans look like scapegoats or bigots is a very NASTY and manipulative way of thinking. This country can NOT support those here legally. Adding 8 to10+ million and more people who have no valuable skills, does what for us? How does it benefit us as a society? How does it make us safer? How does it make our country better at all? People willing to work for less so those who should be doing those jobs, don't bother working at all. How does that help anyone? Then they have children who often grow up not even seeing the US as their country because their parents don't view the US as their country. Many identify as Mexican(insert country) more than being an actual American. How does it help us?
     
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    You really don't see the difference between kids born from parents legally working here on Visas or those on military bases and illegals rushing the borders pregnant? How utterly intellectually dishonest of you. Or are you being ignorant as an act? C'mon.
     
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    The Constitution would have to be changed.
     
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    The only time progressive leftists get all sentimental and nationalistic about American soil...
    is when illegal immigrants squirt out their spawn on it.
     
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    Trump Gives New Life to Bill on Birthright Citizenship
    Time to have a vote in Congress.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...es-new-life-to-bill-on-birthright-citizenship
     
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    Since when do progressives care about American exceptionalism?
     
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    Since before anyone else?
     
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    The bill defines what "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means. No Constitutional change required.
     
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    Be serious.

    Anyone who lives in the United States is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Any effort to redefine it would quickly be struck down by the Supreme Court.
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    If that were true Congress wouldn't have had to pass the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924, would they? The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" excluded anyone who had citizenship with a foreign power, and tribes were considered a separate power.
     
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    Yeah..."chain migration"
     
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    Apples to oranges. Before 1924, the Indian tribes were not considered to be part of the United States. The same cannot be said for illegal immigrants and any effort to exclude them would be struck down in short order.
     
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    The solution then is repealing the 14th Amendment clause granting birthright citizenship.
     
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    You know, I'm used to people not thinking through the consequences of the policies they advocate. And I'm used to people sometimes overlooking the humanity of various groups that seem distant and abstract. But I have to say this is the absolutely most vile and morally repugnant thing I've yet heard in current US political discourse.

    Let me ask you something. Let's say we did away with birthright citizenship. What then happens to those people? I realize the nativist mindset here is that if we're simply cruel enough to would be immigrants they'll "go back to where they came from." But the truth is that people will always fight for the chance to make a better future for themselves and their families, no matter what sort of barriers you try to put in their way. The Soviets couldn't stop people with machine gun nests and landmines. And I seriously doubt that you lot would have the fortitude to be as ruthless as the Soviets were. In any case, people are still going to come to the US, legally or not. And they're still going to have children, birthright citizenship or not. So what happens to those children? Even if they want to go to their parents' original country, there's no guarantee that those countries will even let them in. And most of them will choose to stay in the US anyway, since this is the only country they've ever known. They'll grow up and have their own children. The result will be that you'll have created a class of millions of non-people in the US without citizenship in any country, without legal rights or recourse, with representation. Being legally non-existent, these folks will probably wind up being treated as disposable property. Do you really want to live in a country where someone is denied basic human rights because their great great grandparents entered the US illegally?

    That sort of thinking is simply disgusting and antithetical to the ideals the US was founded on. This about as diametrically opposed to all men being created equal as anything I can think of. The reason the 14th Amendment included birthright citizenship in the first place was to prevent certain states from making certain groups of people non citizens with no rights and making them slaves in all but name.

    If you want to reverse that, you're the one who's not a real American.

    Yeah, and why don't you repeal that pesky 13th Amendment while you're at it?
     
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    In this case I do. If there is even a single profitable business in this country getting a tax break or a subsidy, we have the money to help a deformed child.
     

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