One language - one homeland

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  1. Alik Bahshi

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    Alik Bahshi

    One language - one homeland

    Peoples, whose language the word sounds the same homeland, have every reason to be one nation, one language - one homeland. For residents of Istanbul, Tabriz, Baku, Ashgabat, Tashkent, Almaty word "Yurdum" sounds the same and has only one thing - the Motherland, so why not overcome parochialism and clannish nature of power - the main enemies of any combination, all the rest to Democracy . Why not take a sample of Turkey, which, despite the many objective obstacles, entered the 21 economically developed country, ahead of a neighboring democracy in the region, Israel, where religious laws are part of the halachic state law like Sharia law in Iran.

    Unity five Turkic countries of Turkey, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan will give them the strength and security, especially from attacks by the Russian Empire, which, judging by the efforts it had aggression in Georgia, not to give up hope for the return of lost colonies. The need for mutual support is well illustrated by the events of 1918 in Azerbaijan, when the Dashnak-raising treacherous armed rebellion in Baku and other cities of Azerbaijan started ethnic cleansing, literally cutting out the local population, clearing the way to the territory under the chimerical "Great Armenia from sea to Sea, "just as it was in Turkey in 1915." In the unarmed civilian population there was no way to resist the Nazis and Armenian, if not hasty assistance fraternal Turkey, the catastrophe would have been inevitable. I must say that for Azerbaijan security issue relevant in the present time, and the war in Nagorno-Karabakh is a consequence of the fact that in Armenia again in power, the Nazis of "Dashnaktsutyun" party, which originated long before Nazism in Germany, and is a prototype of Hitler's National Socialist Party. In this regard, some of the stories emerge associative moments when we remember that the ideology of "ARF" to a certain extent endorses Moscow, namely, during the First World War, and again found understanding the collapse of the Soviet Union shared with Yerevan strategic considerations. It is noteworthy that Moscow also maintained friendly relations with Nazi Germany until it was attacked by the Soviet Union.

    It looks like a destiny and tradition in Russia to be friends with the rogue world community, such as Hugo Chavez or dad Lukashenko, and support for the bloody Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad and tacit patronage Tehran obscurantist proof.

    Certainly, there are external enemies Turkism, Russia with its Turkic-speaking peoples, China Eastern Turkestan, Iran and South Azerbaijan, but as always, the Turks have, overcoming cravings for isolation, start with yourself, because the union is the way of the future and no other way. A good example is the Germany that we know today as powerful in every sense of the state - the result of realization of the idea of pan-Germanism, associations based on ethnic, linguistic and cultural basis of ten small German states into one. If the peoples of Europe, despite the ethnic and linguistic differences, could unite, why and Turks, who do not have these differences, not to create something like the European Union.
     
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    In Switzerland they speak French, German, Italian and Romansh.
     
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    Switzerland - a multinational country, my topic is dedicated to one nation - Turks. Pan Ideas has created Germany. By analogy, the Turks may create a Turkic state.
     
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    If this is not your regular joke, then explain please :
    Why? .....For what purpose Russia could wish the " return of lost colonies..."?

    For ..... To re-buy wheat in Canada and feed these colony again?:smile:

     
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    So take a famous Swiss pocket knife and cut it into 4 pieces... :roflol:
     
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    by the way of
    Russian "aggression in Georgia":

     
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    May I can explain what the background is.

    On one hand these countries and regions were in origin in history conquered by Tsarist Empire of Russia from Turkey. Later on the other hand they were all part of the USSR and with end of the USSR they are now independent countries. But this independence does not mean that they are full out of Russian influence and so some people are telling and claiming that Russia wants to have them back in their “Empire”.

    As those West haters bash on the USA and others with this and that thing happened, there are also people bashing on Russia with their actions. One example is given with Georgia and this minority there inside Georgian territory where Russia is holding with full military power hand above as guard. This is for that sort of people the proof of the claim that Russia wants to get back all what was part of Russia and the next proof for them was occupying Crimean Peninsula.

    This is not all my opinion, means I do not say this … but I want to explain it and show that the “bashing machine” is not only against USA, but also on Russia reversed too. If valid or not in both cases and individual issues happening at this part and point totally aside!
    :wink:
     
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    Crimea is not a Russian koloniya.
    Crimea is Russian land from 1774.
    1000000 Russians lives in the Crimea .
    (*)
    (*)Crimea was Ukrainian colony from 1991 to 2014.:smile:
     
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    The food? Yes, but before indigenous people were deported from the Caucasus and Central Asia. May be the answer to the question, why is that in Russia there was a famine, Russian rushed to Tashkent. You are a young probably did not read the book "Tashkent City of Bread." Then, all the crop land in Central Asia and Azerbaijan were used for cotton. And now you say Russian colonies fed. Today, when the former colonies became free, they sell agricultural products to Russia.
     
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    For what? They voluntarily obdinilis anyone to forcibly made and like today, none of the people of Switzerland did not want to detach. And yet, if the different peoples of the Germans in Switzerland, franzuzy, Italians and others were able to unite, why Turkic countries can not do it, the more that the people alone.
     
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    And do they really want it to become part of Turkey or in any sort of clear majority? No! This claiming and telling you quoted in OP is ages old man and comes up again and again like the seasons.
    Aside this ... the complete text you gave has much from the blabbering of this "Young Turk scum" before WW-1 broke out inside. bad thing ... sorry!
     
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    I don't know much about the area. These countries speak languages from the same family but can people actually understand and communicate with each other?

    Anyway, it sounds like a good idea, a kind of regionalisation as opposed to globalisation. Countries are stronger together, like the EU. Maybe the Arab countries should form a region too based on Arabic.
     
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    For you, bad, this is understandable, but then you do not have to do with it, you are not Turks. And you probably also opposed the unification of the German people. The German government, when combined forgot to ask your permission. Now you can put your favorite smiley face and laugh.
     
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    This should solve the Arabs themselves.
     
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    But then ask these "Pro Turkish unity" guys how they think about an independent Kurdistan...
     
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    At that Soviet time Soviet Union was buying wheat in Canada.

    After these "other peoples" secede from Russia, Russia stopped buying wheat in Canada.
    Now Russia sells Russian wheat abroad. It is even without fertile Ukrainian soil. It is a fact.

    ..On what basis do you make the assumption that Russia has the hope to "... return of lost colonies."?
     
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    We are living in a globalized world and this is not only die to economic things ...
    Do you really believe that this dream of some Turkish nationalists is ever any serious thing of what people want?

    Yes, I live in Germany and we had over 70 years ago a troll with a slogan "home to the empire" with which he wants to get all Germans in neighboring countries back under his fingers in unity ... as well the depending territories where they live more of course. You know how this ended at least?
     
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    I know that there were a dozen of German states that have merged, creating a powerful country today Germany. I am sure that if this did not happen, then it would not be that Germany, which knows the world today. Are you against Germany today?
     
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    Yep ... but this happens how? With several wars over a long time of 3 centuries if taking as starting point the end of 30 year war in 1648!
     
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    (*) So what? The main thing in this case, that the union of the German states happened. Do not you agree that it is good for the Germans?
     
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    Old but very interesting SF book on this very subject. "The Languages of Pao" by Jack Vance
     
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    Not the millions who died in the trenches and the Eastern Front and in Dresden.......
     
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    Вы, что хотите раздробить Германию на десяток мелких государств? Вы можете прямо ответить, или это для Вас трудно?
     
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    I believe it is hard for him. He does not know Russian language.:smile:
     
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    You want to divide Germany into dozens of small states? You can directly answer or is it hard for you?
     

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