The Holocaust revised!!!!

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    This news is so shocking I have to post it here under the headlines!
    :omg:

    read the other half here:
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/03/04/291802/the-holocaust-bomb-a-rerevisionist-myth/

    Please, tell me this is just a pre-April 1st joke. But they shouldn't joke about something so serious.
     
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    Overall it looks like the typical Holocaust denial stuff.
     
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    What is your point? Of course European Jews were not the biological descendants of ancient near eastern jews. Whether that is true or not, is irrelevant to whether the Holocaust took place, and whether or not 6 million jews were murdered in the process. They were. It is also irrelevant to the absolute moral low point in human history the event represents. Whether Jews were killed for their biological ancestry or their cultural and religious tradition, does nothing to change that fact.

    This study, which supports other studies which have been done that also support the Khazar ancestry of European Jews, does poke holes in some of the absurd nationalist myths of the Israeli state. Modern Israelis are not the biological ancestors of ancient Israelis, and are instead are just Europeans who colonized Palestine, and constructed a set of national myths to justify it.

    PS. Constructing national myths as part of actualizing nationalism, or what Ben Anderson calls "imagined communities," is something hardly unique to Israel though.
     
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    I don't know... the world was forced to swallow the six million.
    All they need is some strict laws and we'll swallow the other 14 million as well.
    Hand me a pail, quick....::puke:
     
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    youre far too sensible. were gonna have to ask you to leave this zoo.
     
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    Give it a few years, and the perpetual attention seekers will claim that ALL Jews died in the 30's, and that there are no Jews left.
     
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    Sure the pail will fit next to your swastika?
     
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    That's actually bull(*)(*)(*)(*), this study is by one guy who works for John Hopkins, it was not a John Hopkins study, numerous actual peer reviewed genetic studies have proven conclusively that modern Ashkanazi Jews can trace their genetic lineage directly to the paleolithic levant.
     
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    Ya, no they haven't. That is idiotic nonsense. The most anyone has ever said, and CERTAINLY NOT conclusively, is that there is SOME genetic descent among a certain percentage of European Jews to the ancient Levant. Almost all those studies originate in Israel, and find things like 40% of European Jews have near eastern strands of DNA.

    Like this one

    http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/43026_Doron.pdf


    Which actually says very little. No one denies that some level of diaspora occurred, and if that did, intermixing with European and Khazar Jews who converted, would lead to some DNA evidence of Near Eastern origin. That is not particularly relevant. A small genetic connection to the near east exists in other population groups as well, and they do not use that as justification to colonize the near east.

    This one shows more commonalities with Europeans.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/107/37/16222.full

    This one shows separate lineage between Middle Eastern Jews and European Jews

    http://www.biology-direct.com/content/5/1/57

    This one shows closer relations between Europeans and people of the Caucuses and Jews

    http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/12/14/gbe.evs119.full.pdf+html

    It isn't universal, but in general studies done outside of Israel find some connection, but stronger connection to other population groups. Studies done in Israel, just focus on the connection, no matter how strong. So whatever else you want to say, it is DEFINITELY NOT conclusive in any way.
     
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    Don't you people ever get sick of being wrong?



    Haplotypes constructed from Y-chromosome markers were used to trace the paternal origins of the Jewish Diaspora. A set of 18 biallelic polymorphisms was genotyped in 1,371 males from 29 populations, including 7 Jewish (Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian) and 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. The Jewish populations were characterized by a diverse set of 13 haplotypes that were also present in non-Jewish populations from Africa, Asia, and Europe. A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora. Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. Admixture estimates suggested low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians. Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.


    Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes



    ...the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews. According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula, as is seen in the Arab-specific Eu 10 chromosomes that include the modal haplotypes observed inPalestinians and Bedouin... The study demonstrates that the Y chromosome pool of Jews is an integral part of the genetic landscape of the region and, in particular, that Jews exhibit a high degree of genetic affinity to populations living in the north of the Fertile Crescent.


    The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East



    Both the extent and location of the maternal ancestral deme from which the Ashkenazi Jewry arose remain obscure. Here, using complete sequences of the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), we show that close to one-half of Ashkenazi Jews, estimated at 8,000,000 people, can be traced back to only 4 women carrying distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent in other populations, with the important exception of low frequencies among non-Ashkenazi Jews. We conclude that four founding mtDNAs, likely of Near Eastern ancestry, underwent major expansion(s) in Europe within the past millennium.


    The Matrilineal Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry: Portrait of a Recent Founder
    Event



    DNA Evidence

    Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have largely disproven the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi.

    A 1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."[50] According to Nicholas Wade "The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism."[51]

    A 2001 study by Nebel et al. found Haplogroup R1a chromosomes (called Eu 19 in the paper), which are very frequent in Eastern European populations (54%-60%), at elevated frequency (12.7%) in Ashkenazi Jews. The authors hypothesized that these chromosomes could reflect low-level gene flow into Ashkenazi populations from surrounding Eastern European populations, or, alternatively, that both the Ashkenazi Jews in Haplogroup R1a, and to a greater extent all Eastern European populations in general, might have some partial Khazar ancestry.[52]

    A 2003 study of the Y-chromosome by Behar et al. found that among Ashkenazi Levites, who comprise approximately 4% of Ashkenazi Jews, the prevalence of Haplogroup R1a1 was over 50%. This haplogroup is uncommon in other Jewish groups, but found in high frequencies in eastern European populations. They argued that "it is likely that the event leading to a high frequency of R1a1 NRYs within the Ashkenazi Levites involved very few, and possibly only one, founding father." They postulated that one likely source of the gene was a "a founder(s) of non-Jewish European ancestry, whose descendents were able to assume Levite status", and that an alternate "attractive source would be the Khazarian Kingdom, whose ruling class is thought to have converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century." They concluded that "Although neither the NRY haplogroup composition of the majority of Ashkenazi Jews nor the microsatellite haplotype composition of the R1a1 haplogroup within Ashkenazi Levites is consistent with a major Khazar or other European origin, as has been speculated by some authors (Baron 1957; Dunlop 1967; Ben-Sasson 1976; Keys 1999), one cannot rule out the important contribution of a single or a few founders among contemporary Ashkenazi Levites."[53]

    A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their local neighbouring populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to Haplogroup R1a1 (R-M17), the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow between the two groups. The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars". They concluded "However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.[54]

    A 2010 study on Jewish ancestry by Atzmon et al. says "Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry."[55]



    Genetic studies on Ashkenazi Jewery


    It is not a small genetic connection, the studies show that there was relatively little mixing between the Ashkanzi and their host populations, quite frankly you don't have a clue what you're talking about, and Israel is not a colony, the occupiers were the Arabs, Jews on the other hand have had an unbroken presence in the Levant for 10 thousand years.

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    Don't you people ever get sick of being wrong?



    Haplotypes constructed from Y-chromosome markers were used to trace the paternal origins of the Jewish Diaspora. A set of 18 biallelic polymorphisms was genotyped in 1,371 males from 29 populations, including 7 Jewish (Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian) and 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. The Jewish populations were characterized by a diverse set of 13 haplotypes that were also present in non-Jewish populations from Africa, Asia, and Europe. A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora. Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. Admixture estimates suggested low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians. Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.


    Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes



    ...the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews. According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula, as is seen in the Arab-specific Eu 10 chromosomes that include the modal haplotypes observed inPalestinians and Bedouin... The study demonstrates that the Y chromosome pool of Jews is an integral part of the genetic landscape of the region and, in particular, that Jews exhibit a high degree of genetic affinity to populations living in the north of the Fertile Crescent.


    The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East



    Both the extent and location of the maternal ancestral deme from which the Ashkenazi Jewry arose remain obscure. Here, using complete sequences of the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), we show that close to one-half of Ashkenazi Jews, estimated at 8,000,000 people, can be traced back to only 4 women carrying distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent in other populations, with the important exception of low frequencies among non-Ashkenazi Jews. We conclude that four founding mtDNAs, likely of Near Eastern ancestry, underwent major expansion(s) in Europe within the past millennium.


    The Matrilineal Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry: Portrait of a Recent Founder
    Event



    DNA Evidence

    Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have largely disproven the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi.

    A 1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."[50] According to Nicholas Wade "The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism."[51]

    A 2001 study by Nebel et al. found Haplogroup R1a chromosomes (called Eu 19 in the paper), which are very frequent in Eastern European populations (54%-60%), at elevated frequency (12.7%) in Ashkenazi Jews. The authors hypothesized that these chromosomes could reflect low-level gene flow into Ashkenazi populations from surrounding Eastern European populations, or, alternatively, that both the Ashkenazi Jews in Haplogroup R1a, and to a greater extent all Eastern European populations in general, might have some partial Khazar ancestry.[52]

    A 2003 study of the Y-chromosome by Behar et al. found that among Ashkenazi Levites, who comprise approximately 4% of Ashkenazi Jews, the prevalence of Haplogroup R1a1 was over 50%. This haplogroup is uncommon in other Jewish groups, but found in high frequencies in eastern European populations. They argued that "it is likely that the event leading to a high frequency of R1a1 NRYs within the Ashkenazi Levites involved very few, and possibly only one, founding father." They postulated that one likely source of the gene was a "a founder(s) of non-Jewish European ancestry, whose descendents were able to assume Levite status", and that an alternate "attractive source would be the Khazarian Kingdom, whose ruling class is thought to have converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century." They concluded that "Although neither the NRY haplogroup composition of the majority of Ashkenazi Jews nor the microsatellite haplotype composition of the R1a1 haplogroup within Ashkenazi Levites is consistent with a major Khazar or other European origin, as has been speculated by some authors (Baron 1957; Dunlop 1967; Ben-Sasson 1976; Keys 1999), one cannot rule out the important contribution of a single or a few founders among contemporary Ashkenazi Levites."[53]

    A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their local neighbouring populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to Haplogroup R1a1 (R-M17), the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow between the two groups. The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars". They concluded "However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.[54]

    A 2010 study on Jewish ancestry by Atzmon et al. says "Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry."[55]



    Genetic studies on Ashkenazi Jewery


    It is not a small genetic connection, the studies show that there was relatively little mixing between the Ashkanzi and their host populations, quite frankly you don't have a clue what you're talking about, and Israel is not a colony, the occupiers were the Arabs, Jews on the other hand have had an unbroken presence in the Levant for 10 thousand years.
     
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    If you ever proved me wrong, I might be able to tell you. Instead you cherry picked evidence from older studies, with less legitimate technology, which represent extreme biases. They are from 1999, 2001, etc(that is very relevant, because the science on genetics has advanced significantly in the last 10 years). All my studies are far more recent. Nice try though. Might want to work harder on the whole proving me wrong thing next time!!

    PS. And Jews are without question colonizers of Palestine. And 10,000 years? Seriously where do you people come up with this (*)(*)(*)(*)?
     
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    Where it's at;

     
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    Frodly, he/she has already labelled half the forum Nazi's. You'll be next.
     
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    I provided one from 2010 and I didn't even mention the 2012 book by Dr. Harry Ostrer entitled "The Genetic History of the Jewish People," which complete proves the Khazar conspiracy theorists as the liars that they are. In what peer reviewed scientific journals were your studies published dear sir?

    http://www.jpost.com/Sci-Tech/Article.aspx?id=282584



    No you're thinking of the Arab occupiers who came to the Levant with the Islamic conquests within the last thousand years, now the Jews on the other hand have been on that land since pre-history, there has only ever been one nation-state where Israel now stands and it was a Jewish state, in fact if you want to get technical on the matter the Arabs are occupying the lands of Christendom throughout the Middle East which they conquered through sword and cultural genocide, not to mention what they did to the Hindus and Buddhists on the Indian Subcontinent to the point which today have of India has been colonized by the Muslim invaders.

    From the genetic studies which prove conclusively that Jews can trace their lineage to the paleolithic Levant.

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    Comprehension isn't your forte, liar.
     
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    There is probably no man today that has the reach and wealth to source the very best of 'witnesses' than Spieberg.

    This was the 'best'.

    [video=youtube;NyMVWVBmGVo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyMVWVBmGVo&feature=player_detailpage[/video]
     
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    Dont you ever get sick of deludiing yourself.?

    Repeating the same boring Bull shine which has been repeated on this forum + rebutted - over + over again , on this forum ?
    :bored::bored::bored:

    Tell us something new .


    .....
     
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    Another ideologically biased source, which says nothing about when the research published in the book was actually done!! You can publish a book in 2012, based on evidence from 1833. I am sure you are aware of that. All my studies were within the last 5 years or so. You presented ONE from that time period. None of my sources claim there is absolutely no connection between European Jews and Near Eastern populations, only that it is not the most significant connection. A very important point.





    It was actually more than 1000 years, but whatever. However, 1000 years still trumps the 60 years since the last colonization. And the only reason there has been "one nation state" is because the nation state is a modern construct, and Israel followed years of Empire and colonization, with a colonization of their own. The only difference is it was settler colonialism, so they set up their own nation and state in the lands they colonized. Where as non-settler colonialism didn't do that sort of thing.




    :bored: We already addressed the conclusive bit. That is unequivocally false. And not a single one of your studies showed origins to the paleolithic period. Explain how such a link would be established? What genetic material from the paleolithic era are scientists comparing modern Jews to?
     
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    lol yes yes, anything that disagrees with anti-semetic Khazar conpsiracy theories are ideologically biased, tell me sir how is this peer reviewed scientific study an ideologically biased source?

    Lmfao ya he did a books worth of genetic studies and waited a decade to publish it. :roll: The research was conducted for the book prior to its authorship but the same is said of the papers you provided which I notice are not published in a peer reviewed scientific journal.

    Here's an article from Science Magazine about the study which was conducted in 2010 and published by the American Journal of Human Genetics:


    Ostrer and his colleagues analyzed nuclear DNA from blood samples taken from a total of 237 Ashkenazi and Middle Eastern Jews in New York City and Sephardic Jews in Seattle, Washington; Greece; Italy; and Israel. They compared these with DNA from about 2800 presumably non-Jewish individuals from around the world. The team used several analytical approaches to calculate how genetically similar the Jewish groups were to each other and to the non-Jewish groups, including a method called identity by descent (IBD), which is often used to determine how closely two individuals are related.

    Individuals within each Jewish group had high levels of IBD, roughly equivalent to that of fourth or fifth cousins. Although each of the three Jewish groups showed genetic admixture (interbreeding) with nearby non-Jews, they shared many genetic features, suggesting common roots that the team estimated went back more than 2000 years. Ashkenazi Jews, whose genetic profiles indicated between 30% to 60% admixture with Europeans, nevertheless clustered more closely with Middle Eastern and Sephardic Jews, a finding the researchers say is inconsistent with the Khazar hypothesis. "I would hope that these observations would put the idea that Jewishness is just a cultural construct to rest," Ostrer says.

    http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/06/tracing-the-roots-of-jewishness.html

    The book was published in 2012, what do you think he sat on his research for 5+ years before he decided to publish it? Your studies do not come from peer reviewed scientific journals.

    Who published those studies?


    The Jews have been in the Levant since the paleolithic.

    There have been states from antiquity; IE the Greek City States, Assyria, Babylon, Judea, and Israel.

    How one colonizes their historic homeland in which their people have had an unbroken presence since pre-history, is beyond me.

    I meant neolithic:

    ...the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews. According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula, as is seen in the Arab-specific Eu 10 chromosomes that include the modal haplotypes observed inPalestinians and Bedouin... The study demonstrates that the Y chromosome pool of Jews is an integral part of the genetic landscape of the region and, in particular, that Jews exhibit a high degree of genetic affinity to populations living in the north of the Fertile Crescent.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1274378/?tool=pubmed

    Go to the section of the article entitled "Geographical and Historical Origins of Eu 9 and Eu 10"
     
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    Jack! NObody died in the Thirties that was the fault of the Nazis.
     
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    What about the 66million mainly Russian Christians, butchered by Jewish Bolsheviks and Communists?

    What about that 'holcost' getting the attention it merits, to name but one?
     
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    I know, there are so many holocausts. Just imagine Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Or the people in Vietnam... how all these people must have felt! It doesn't need to be 6 million every time. Also the firebombing of German cities... how terrible it must feel to be stuck and helpless and burn to death. Mothers and children, all so helpless.

    Mankind is still sooo far removed from being a truly good and loving creature. I speak, of course, in general.... myself, I'm the exception!:wink:

    The thing with the various holocaust's is, that only the Jews are lucky to get compensation.
    The other day I came upon this website which stated: "to date, Germany has paid an estimated $70 billion to Holocaust survivors and programs that aid survivors, according to the JCC."

    It's actually peanuts, when you come to think about it. Once it is spread out over 60 years and x million survivors, it isn't much. But it is at least a kind gesture and the Germans don't seem to suffer much because of it.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20344999
     
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    Ah yes, the Israeli genetic mapping project that hilariously established that most Jews are not descendants from any ethnic Jewish tribes, ironically showing that most Palestinians are more closely related to the original tribes than the vast majority of Israel, is actually an Iranian conspiracy.

    Because apparently Iran controls Israel.

    And has done so back before WW2 when they were Nazis.

    :roll:
     
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