Proof that Capitalism+ religion trumps Atheism + communism / socialism every time~

Marx; Religion is the Opiate of the masses=FAIL. Capitalism is the fix.

Religion and spirituality are the foundation and core of nearly all successful civilizations. There are rare exceptions as in anything but that is another thread. I will add, with all due respect to Carl Marx money, not religion is the real opiate of the masses,, and it’s a good addiction (disregarding the moral implications which can include destructive greed). The proof of why capitalism and democracy along with religion trumps the other governments and economic systems is evident when one looks at the historical record/timeline of the nations and civilizations from the ancient Sumerians and an early form of Judaism to the Pharos and Gods of Egypt to the Christian USA where religion combined with the capitalism created the most powerful and successful (all things considered) nation in the world for 250 years until the current time. The losers are the Atheist or demigod permeated communists and others. A good example of the later? The USSR…

Think I am wrong. That’s the facts Mam’mn according to history and the opinion of this author. Agree? Disagree?


reva

 

For Marx (Karl, with a 'K'), religion was the 'heart of a heartless world'. The American extremists have removed even that from it, and made it part of their enormous spite and hate.

 

Mammon is indeed America's God. Which goes some way to explaining the absence of Islam from the OP's lauding the God of Abraham.

 

If you want to trigger these types of debate I suggest you need to read some history and from the above example a lot of it

 

Yes, correct sorry I have a K problem, I spell Koran Koran too lol, which isn’t wrong but the carl thing is a mistake [sic on that one]. 'Special K' anyone?

I also agree with your statement about Marx, his father was a devoutly religious man which no doubt did not spare the rod with young Karl, and may have led to a classical Freudian response later in life. Of course Marx was correct when assessing the concept from his point of view. If he were born in the USA and his pap was a successful cat like Rockefeller etc he may have a different opinion of capatialism, then again he might have been an early spoiled brat with a father that owned a publishing empire etc…Ie the darling of the SLA Ms Patty.

reva

 

Indeed we all have our personal beliefs and must make choices from learning’s sourced from a lifetime of experiences, study, and sometimes luck, bad or good etc. I feel all Muslims even nice moderate* believers made a bad choice, a tragic choice really, but it was their choice and god bless them *(moderate as opposed to what I define as an rMuslim, because they practice a murderous perverted form Islam, if it can be called that). So was my choice of Christianity good or bad? I hope it’s a lifetime before I find out! That said I would mention Abraham is as well loved by Muslims as well as Christians eh? Btw, if not too personal, do you consider yourself religious?

reva

 

What you fail to point out is that there are many Western Democracies, particularly in Scandinavia, which are atheist. Say what you will about their socialist tendencies, but they are quite well off.

Also, religion has nothing to do with the USA's success: Christianity in fact opposes the idea of capitalism, so it's a wonder in such a religious country you've managed to maintain that system. Trying to use an economic doctrine to make religion look better just because the US happens to be religious is not much of an argument.

 

That may be the weakest "proof" of anything I've ever heard of.

 

Marx was talking about how religion is an escape for many people from the harsh reality of capitalism. You misunderstand him.

 

Nah, what you are really saying has nothing to do with debate and everything to do with hate. Until you learn to make a statement or ask a question related to productive civil debate; ’Bug off‘. And I am being nice, or at least I am trying to, which is far more than you are doing. (I am still working and often failing it seems on the 'turn the other cheek thing).

reva

 

why?

reva

 

I think you misunderstand me. I did not cover every detail of his famous statement, lol, still I didn’t say anything wrong, or even inaccurate, well, excepting fro the K thing.

reva

 

It has nothing to do with hate. Any one who starts a discussion that includes the phrase to the Christian USA where religion combined with the capitalism created the most powerful and successful (all things considered) nation in the world for 250 years until the current time Is immediately showing gaps in there knowledge that overpower any real opinion they may have on the subject matter

 

You could start by looking up the meaning of the word "proof."

 

I prefer capitalism plus atheism personally.

 

The OP seems to be a fan of Israel that is much more a socialist and secular country than he or she probably thinks.

 

The Christian base of our FOUNDERS combined with our Capitalist ventures created the most powerful nation on earth. If you're going to dispute this fact, at least come up with examples of what ideology or what economic system you believe is responsible for America's greatness.

 

So it is also your contention that the US has been the most powerful nation in the world - Even 20 years before it was even a nation

 

Half of the founders were deists.

 

What is that suppose to mean?

 

Try again, perhaps 10% (if that) were deists, but that small amount of people didn't have the overall affect that the other 90% of Christians had on creating Christian America.

 

The OP claims the US has been the most successful and powerful nation in the world for the last 250 years. Unless my maths have failed me. That means since 1763- 26 years before the US became a nation. So my challenge to you is - do you also support the notion that the US has been the most powerful and successful nation for the last 250 years?

 

Ahhh' houston we have a problem of hipocoracy in this thread. Gaps in >>>>>>there<<<<< (HINT ; Their) knowledge eh? Um’ man, do a little mote chucking. You know the mote in your eye? Or in other words I am a skillet and you are a pot. Got a mirror, or better yet a dictionary? Lol forgive me for having my cryptic fun with your grammar etc ?

Seriously you are making painfully vague claims that are so indistinct that I have to guess what they mean. Again I see no real error on my part either literally or grammatically. By grammatically I mean the way I started the discussion is sound. I am not talking not sentence structure etc. I suppose I could have said the proto USA of 250 years ago instead of the USA of 250 years ago? Btw, in the proto-USA of around 250 years ago where a accomplished bespectacled bald guy, who perfected/invented spectacle was participating in a famous electrifying experiment…ahhh’ forget it. ONE MORE TIME; exactly why did you say I am challenged in my knowledge of history ? Now if you had criticized my grammar I would have no disagreement with you…I await your non vague non fishing answer~ AGAIN!

reva

 

Ha ha what a nit picker! See above! Should I go back and review some of your replies for precise accuracy? You should learn something about artistic licenses etc. No I was correct in my first assessment of your trolling reply, nit picker is not accurate. If you want to debate in good faith I look forward to it, if the rest of your posts and replies are similar to the above, I am selectively deaf to your attempts to insult.

 

There's people out there who actually believe America is a religious nation?