I Like the IRS! Where did they do anything wrong ?

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  1. protectionist

    protectionist Banned

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    I like the IRS! Where did they do anything wrong ? Does anyone know anything that they specifically did that could be considered unfair or improper ? They do have to check for the validity of tax exempt statuses, based on their specifications, no ?

    What mainly bothers me is all these super-rich greed freaks who engage in tax dodging, like with fake addresses in the Cayman Islands. I's like to see the IRS tax their butts off.
     
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    Stuart Wolfe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Guess who ISN'T getting an audit this year! ^
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why don't you start with the errors they have admitted, and apologies issued... in other words... read something.
     
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    Interesting information BUT it raises a question of why not target a group if you have reason to believe that group may be improperly requesting exemption (as would be quite obvious with the tea party).

    I could be more inclined to believe the impropriety of the IRS here, IF I were shown evidence that the TP is not the only group that the IRS could find (maybe they were ?) that asked for tax exempt status based on being a "social welfare" organization, while not being that.

    What would be their "social welfare" qualification ? Helping rich greed freaks avoid paying taxes ? Helping the rich to get richer ? Although this link is a good one, I'd be at least as interested to see EXAMPLES of other groups whose status is similar to the TP (asking for tax exemption, but no social welfare connection), and didn't get the attention of the IRS. Then I could better accept the idea that the IRS is picking on certain groups like the Tea Party.
     
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    I take it you've thrown away all of your Apple products?
     
  7. AceFrehley

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    Why would that be obvious with the Tea Party?
     
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    The IRS sent out an indepth questionarre to certain groups.

    They shouldn't be targeting groups, but ALL they did wrong was ASK QUESTIONS.

    People are acting like they came into people's homes took their children.

    It should be dealth with, but it's not a big deal.

    They asked questions. That's all they did.
     
  9. protectionist

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    Never had any. They tend to be overpriced.
     
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    Ummm... no. The IRS or other government entities targeting groups based on their political ideology is not only wrong but horrific.

    It's a pretty big deal to normal Americans whose knuckles don't bleed from being dragged around as they walk upright.
     
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    All they did was ask questions.

    It's not a big deal to me.
     
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    Because the 501(c)(4) nonprofit status tax exemption status is relative to the requirement that the group in question be providing some degree of "social welfare". So what's the Tea Party's social welfare function ? Helping rich greed freaks avoid paying taxes ? Helping the rich to get richer ? Providing the address of the Ughland Building in the Cayman Islands ? :giggle:
     
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    :above:Attention: this massage intended for low information audiences only :above:
     
  14. JoeSixpack

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    They got political. They should have just stuck to rousting little old widow women, small business owners, & instigating suicides, and they would never have been in the news.
     
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    Wanting to prevent the country from drowning in debt and excessive taxation is the epitome of concern for social welfare.

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    OK, but enough about OWS. We're talking about the Tea Party here.
     
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    I see you're a rushbot.

    I think the IRS should ask EVERY group applying for tax exempt status the questions they apparently only asked of conservative groups.
     
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    You do understand that a lot of the questions they asked are not allowed to be asked?
     
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    Political ideology is not necessarily an improper criteria for consideration in this case. In fact, it may be a necessary (or at least helpful) criteria to properly consider. Reason being that social welfare is a politically ideological concept, and it is ALSO part of the required criteria for granting or disapproving 501(c)(4) status. So keeping the two separate from each other, in the IRS's work, then would be neither possible or desirable.
     
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    That's why they should have been denied, but they can't deny them and allow a democrat organization to get theirs. In other words, instead of doing the right thing and denying "ALL" political organizations tax exemption, they took their sweet time when it wasn't one of the party's they approved of. What is conveniently being left out of the story is they (the tea party and other so-called conservative organizations) only represented a third of the organizations that were scrutinized (harassed), and none were denied or going to be denied.
     
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    That's pretty much all an audit is, do you invite them over for one every year?
     
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    Are you also OK with the IRS to provide a conservative group with your email address, street address and name so they could target you?
     
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    You ought to check out this guy's story:

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/05/13/am-face-team-obama-irs-attacks/

    He is a small business owner, author, and outspoken critic of President Obama's admin.
    He also graduated from Columbia alongside Obama in the class of '83.
     
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    Why can't they ask where they get their money from? Seems appropriate to me. I have to show them where my money comes from and who employed me to get it.
     
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    I'd be ok with the IRS being provided that information by any group I belong to, but no, i wouldn't accept the IRS giving my information to a private group.

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    No, but I'm not trying to declare myself exempt from taxes.
     
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    I'm quite sure that is NOT at all how the IRS sees it, and well they shouldn't. You may call "Wanting to prevent the country from drowning in debt and excessive taxation"
    as something akin to "social welfare", but others (overwhelming majority of Americans) would disagree strongly, and say that that is merely a POLITICAL statement, and one which is geared to the welfare of the rich only.. Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of Americans (a litany of polls show) believe that the US tax rates are too LOW for the rich (not "excessive"), and that the debt drowning could and should be alleviated by RAISING taxes on the rich, as most Americans clearly support.
     

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