The traitor Snowden:

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  1. lobato1

    lobato1 New Member

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    It escapes nobody’s attention that this SOB was required to download his laptop’s files, 1st to Communist China & now to Russia to obtain his safe passage from these authoritarian regimes.

    Sad.

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    Lobato1
     
  2. Ivan88

    Ivan88 Well-Known Member

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    Why are whistle blowers traitors? And, why should "Communist China" be our enemy when we are a Communist nation as well?
    Is it treason to seek public security for everyone? How many millions of people have perished in the last 120 years for "national security"? hundreds of millions.
     
  3. Marlowe

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    Did we call those USSR agents who defected to the West during the Cold War - "Traitors " ?

    Hmm I guess not, Huh ?
     
  4. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Soviets certainly called them traitors, and if the KGB got their meat hooks into them they were promptly shot.
     
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    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    so when reporting a crime to police is right. but when government doing something against consititution, its not right to report them? who is keep tap on government, so our government wont stray into something similar to CCP
     
  6. lobato1

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    & please note that having lived in Western Europe as an expatriate American for over 44 years & as a Lib, I have deep admiration for National Socialist governments such as Germany’s Angela Merkel that although labeled a conservative by European standards our far right would consider a raging communist.

    Ergo: There is a clear difference between China’s Marxist Communism versus the European Socialism.

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    Lobato1



     
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    Please go read my post again - stretch yourself and try to understand what I've said

    .... G'bye
     
  8. lobato1

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    enacted on October 2001.



    Some of us have not forgotten the Bush reign of terror warning us Americans when the then presidential press secretary, Ari Fleischer, condemned Bill Maher's irreverent comic response to 9/11 by reminding:


    "All Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do."

    My Reference: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/09/fear_factor.html



    Sad.

    Best Regards
    Lobato1





     
  9. JimH52

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    Snowden is a little man with an even smaller mind. He sis jan accused felon being aided by an accused rapist in hiding. He is the worst kind of TRAITOR. No better than an abortion clinic bomber.
     
  10. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'll belabor the obvious for you one more time - Snowden is considered a traitor by many in the USA the same way that Soviet defectors revealing secrets to the West were considered traitors in the USSR. The people and governments in the countries that were betrayed get to decide if their former countryman is a traitor or not.
     
  11. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And yet it is Barack Obama who has presided over an unprecedented level of spying on the American people, and eviscerated the 4th Amendment in the process. Obama's serial dishonesty began when he put his hand on a Bible at his first inauguration and swore to uphold the Constitution.
     
  12. Ivan88

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    The opinons of a herd of Pavlovian conditioned goats is no measure of truth.

    It is patently obvious that the definition of traitor in the USA does not include those who rigged Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima, Kennedy assassination, Gulf of Tonkin incident, USS Liberty sinking to 9-11 to the latest false flag stunt etc.

    But, in a way those were not treasonous actions since in America the American people are supposed to be the Principal and the governedment officials are our agents. Therefore, since the Principal has not stopped his agents or even cared to see what is happening, it is the American people who are the traitors......and worthy of the various punishments being planned against them, yes?
     
  13. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Neither are the insane ramblings of Pravda Forums flunkies.
     
  14. highlander

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    Aye yer still at it!

    You are hoodwinked by your media, anyone that stands for the honour and integrity of the USA is marginalised and have mysterious accidents!
    Would you put your head one the line for the nation you love!

    Or would you follow like a sheep to the slaughter?

    The choice is yours! But are you a man or a mouse!
    Regards
    Highlander
     
  15. Charles Nicholson

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    No, there is not.
    Both socialism and communism believe that the people are subordinate, and that the Almighty State can tell the people what to do. So... they're identical in concept, and nearly identical in practice.
    Now, I'm sure you'd like to spout many minor differences between the two, but the basic concept remains: Only free market capitalist, constitutional democratic republics can truly be free.
    Well, them... and anarchies.
     
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    I especially like how individuals with your point of view only quote the part of a post you can answer impertinently or with some cleverness.

    You ignore the rest of the post because, on some level, you are all-too-aware of how untenable your position is.
     
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    I feel badly for his father, who was apparently a career military man and this incident has badly stained the family name.
     
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    :roflol:

    Snowden is a HERO!!

    switch off Fox
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unsurprising then that he believes that one of the outcomes could be his death. How the world has changed....or not.
     
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    If you're gonna do it, you need to stand your ground and make your case. And take the sentence. Running around the world doesn't add credibility to the cause. Though it is funny to see the USA security state stymied a bit.
     
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    Tell us about it when you have a free press
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And yet you support it and do not give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about the 4th and 5th Amendment. :sigh:
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To all the world but the US and the governments of Europe. Very weird how the US a country which used to put so much emphasis on freedom not just to have guns but of speech should have so quickly been brainwashed by patriot acts, fear and psychotic hatred.
     
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    What an ignorant crock of (*)(*)(*)(*). I have never supported it because I do give a damn about our Constitution.
     
  25. gamewell45

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    Strictly a matter of opinion.
     

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