Spain vs Britain

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  1. Pro-Consul

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    I say nuke the bastards.
     
  3. Pro-Consul

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    Ok. Might reduce the unemployment problem in Spain. Kidding I wouldn't do that.
     
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    Reckon we need to compensate Spain for having the rock. We could give them the Isle of Dogs.
     
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    Or the Coventry City Football Club ;)
     
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    Crikey, you're vicious!
     
  7. Sixteen String Jack

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    The best thing to send the Spanish is a couple of Type 45s patrolling Gibraltarean waters. They won't be naughty again. Spain needs to be taught that, according to the 1715 Treaty of Utrecht, Gibraltar is now British territory FOREVER. In fact, Gibraltar has been British LONGER than it had been Spanish (other peoples also owned it before the Spanish briefly did).

    A TV series I'm quite enjoying watching at the moment is "Gibraltar: Britain In The Sun" which is on Tuesday nights on Channel 5. The series shows daily life on Gibraltar.

    The first episode focused on a man named Dr Eric Shaw, the head of ape management, whose job is to look after Gibraltar's 200 macaques, the only wild monkeys in Europe.

    http://www.channel5.com/shows/gibraltar-britain-in-the-sun/episodes/episode-1-538
     
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    Flying over a rock is a valid cause for war and it will keep the legions of the unemployed occupied .
     
  9. ThirdTerm

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    [video=youtube;69TohfRY2-g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69TohfRY2-g[/video]

    The row over Gibraltar started when Britain built an artificial reef that Spain claims will block its fishing boats and Spanish border guards are deliberately slowing frontier traffic. Technically, Britain does not own the sea next to its territory and it should not violate Spanish fishing rights. Removing the artificial barrier may be necessary to end the diplomatic standoff amicably.
     
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    Doesn't justify their disproportionate actions. Still I think sending that frigate ahead of schedule should bring them to the bargaining table.
     
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    It was Gibraltar that built the artificial reef in its OWN waters. Spain has no right to decide what to do in GIBRALTARIAN waters.

    And Spain is being very hypocritical in criticising the construction of this artificial reef. After all, it's constructed several artificial reefs along its own coast.

    Not only that, but only one Spanish fishing vessel has been affected by the Gibraltarian artificial reef.
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    Gibraltar: Spanish government 'hypocrites' for complaining about reef

    Spanish environmentalists have labelled their government "hypocritical" for complaining over a new artificial reef installed by Gibraltar, insisting that the same measures are taken across the Spanish coast.

    The escalating diplomatic row was sparked ostensibly by Gibraltar's decision to build an artificial reef in its waters designed to help regenerate fish stocks around the Rock.

    Last month the Gibraltar government sunk 70 concrete blocks a short distance from the coast. The measure will prevent trawling in its waters, a move which immediately angered Spanish fishing boats and led to a formal complaint by the government in Madrid.

    Spain does not respect Britain's right to territorial waters around the Rock, claiming they were not included in the Treaty of Utrecht which ceded Gibraltar to Britain in 1713.

    Madrid complained that the artificial reef was "a violation of international law in Spanish waters" and "a violation of EU environmental law".

    But environmentalist groups have been swift to point out inconsistencies in the Spanish government's stance.

    The Verdemar Ecologistas en Accion dismissed the complaints by Spain's government as "purely political" and having "no scientific basis".

    Antonio Muñoz, the spokesman for the group in the Campo de Gibraltar area, said: "The reef has no environmental impact and in fact is a common practice along all of Spain's coasts."

    "It is done to protect species and improve fish stocks where trawling is common."

    "The complaints by Madrid are laughable," he said, adding that it was "hypocritical" of the government not to take issue with other projects in the area that in fact had much a more serious environmental impact.

    Over the last two decades the government of Andalusia has followed a policy to regenerate its own fish stocks sinking artificial reefs in 25 different places along its southern coast.

    Just a few miles from Gibraltar, an artificial reef was created seven years ago using some 90 concrete blocks, at the request of the local fishing industry in order to boost stocks.

    The Gibraltar reef affects just one fishing boat, the Divina Providencia, which is moored in La Linea and was the only Spanish vessel to fish the area next to Gibraltar's airport.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...nt-hypocrites-for-complaining-about-reef.html
     
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    Here's the Royal Navy helicopter carrier HMS Illustrious leaving Portsmouth today for Gibraltar.

    Illustrious is one of ten British ships - including the frigate HMS Westminster - heading for Gibraltar to take part in a "routine exercise" - but it must also be an exercise in demonstrating Britain's naval strength to Spain.

    London Mayor Boris Johnson said he hoped that it was not just a coincidence that Britain was sending a fleet of warships to Gibraltar. ‘I hope that one way or another we will shortly prise Spanish hands off the throat of our colony,’ he wrote in the Daily Telegraph.

    If Spain wants war it shall have one.

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    Let us all wear the thinking cap. There is not going to be a war. There is a problem which will be solved by politicians. Sending ship will do nothing except inflate the ego of a certain crowd. Just like an American carrier in the Persian Gulf looks fantastic on tv but has no real political impact.
     
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    Gibraltar does not belong to Spain and nor shall it ever.

    All Spain is doing is harassing Gibraltar to divert attention away from their shoddy economy which we have helped remedy by allowing many of their citizens to work in the UK under the terms of the EU.

    This is the kind of behaviour that seems all to familiar with General Galtieri.

    And quite frankly if it ever comes to war. We will sink every ship they have.
     
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    Yea, an' dey oughta sue dat insurance company fer infringement of copywrite...
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    Britain threatens legal action over Gibraltar
    August 12, 2013 — In an escalating spat with Spain over Gibraltar, the tiny British-ruled promontory at the tip of the Iberian peninsula, Britain is considering legal action to confirm its sovereignty over the territory known as The Rock.
    See also:

    UK, Spain trade threats as Gibraltar row heats up
    Wed, Aug 14, 2013 -The row between Britain and Spain over Gibraltar went up a notch on Monday as London mulled legal action over “totally disproportionate” border checks and Madrid threatened to turn to the UN.
     
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    Argentina does the same over the Falklands when their economy goes into the doldrums, which is common.

    As one of the newspaper previewers on the late night newspaper preview on Sky News said the other night: "Both are failed countries."
     
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    And maybe Gibralatar could leave to throw blocks of concrete in the sea or smuggling tobacco.

    However the attitude of Spanish government is unacceptable.

    Ah, and according to the Utrecht Treaty, Gibraltar must be of Britain, and the new autonomy given to Gibraltar is a violation of the treaty.

    But this situation is caused for a new reborn ignorant patriotism of the Spanish Government and probably a trying of smoking curtain of the last corruption cases of the Spanish government.

    But what the government of Gibraltar does with the blocks is unacceptable.

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    There won't be war. Spain and Great Britain are allies, and it is just a small conflict. And it will be solved by legal ways, not with war.

    Ah, and that ships don't worry anything in Spain. It is known from a long time ago that they were going to come to that area.
     
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    Gibraltar is a part of Britain. It's self governing as are most of the overseas possessions of Britain both past and present.
    Quite frankly I'd rather go to war if Spain refuses to give up it's stance of harassment against Gibraltar.

    The HMS Westminster was going that way anyway. Yes. But it was put forward ahead of schedule.
     
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    What do you mean with Ceuta?
     
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    Ceuta is one of Spain's Moroccan enclaves.

    Basically, Spain tells Britain that it shouldn't have Gibraltar yet Spain itself has two of its own Gibraltars in Morocco.
     
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    Ceuta has been always of Spain. Celta never has been of Morocco. Never. You cannot compare. Ceuta was Spanish before the existance of Morocco. Ceuta is "Spanish" from 1200.

    And they are not Gibraltar, because they are not fiscal paradise, they have the same laws that the rest of Spain.

    They are officially of Spain, without special autonomy. Gibraltar is becoming autonomous in sense of Canada or Australia, and if that is done, then Gibraltar is lost to Britain, because the treaty said that Gibraltar had to be of Britain.
     
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    So claims other countries have on Spanish areas are wrong, but Spanish claims on areas in other countries are right?

    Who would have guessed that...
     
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    Sorry, where are all the Spanish going now you wasted 20 years of credit pouring into your country?

    Spain had some of the highest growth figures in Europe prior to the global recession. 20 odd years of growth reversed in 5 years, how is that possible? How because the spanish economy was a mirage, a cardboard cut out. Banks poured money in but the people did nothing with it just frittered it away into a false economy, just like pumping a balloon full of hot air. The recession came and instead of forcing a contraction of the public sector as in most developed economies it hits the Spanish balloon and it popped letting out all that hot air, all that spanish pride. Ireland had a property bubble but the Irish aren't going through a depression, why because the Irish have a real world economy not one propped up by being a cheap budget holiday resort.

    Spanish people have been pouring into the UK for years now to take any job they can get their hands on, how much do you think that's costing the British people? The cost of immigrant Spanish workers to the UK economy over the last 5 years you could buy Gibralter about ten times over. Gibraltar would be a waste land in Spanish hands just like la linea de la concepcion, stop trying to pretend there would be any kind of economy in Gibraltar if it was Spanish :


    https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=gi...6&panoid=bc-mRsuJjy44epMRe7TgOQ&cbp=12,0,,0,0

    Spain is the the beggar in the street who's has a few cans of beer and is trying to pick a fight with passers by, they keep pointing their finger at the UK they might just get reminded of their place.

    I tell you what the UK will give back Gibraltar the day the Spanish economy over takes the UK on GDP per capita, which in other words means NEVER!
     
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    Perhaps we should just stick to the topic.
     

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