If you don't want a baby, get your tubes tied.

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It's really that simple.



Abortion is not about not wanting to be pregnant. Abortion is about picking and choosing exactly when it is convenient to have a baby.

You women who say pregnancy is so horrible have no excuses.

 

if pro-lifers want a baby, have one....

 

We don't want one, but a woman who is pregnant already has one. Pro-lifers don't want one party to unjustly take away the life of another.
A woman who gets an abortion is like an Indian giver; she tries to take back what she already gave. It doesn't work like that.

 

Abortion IS about not wanting to be pregnant. Whether it is about not wanting to be pregnant EVER, or just not wanting to be pregnant RIGHT NOW, it is ALL about not wanting to be pregnant.

If women have a tubal ligation, they will not be able to "pick and choose" a convenient time, now will they?

 

No, a woman who is pregnant is "going to have a baby." Future tense. She is in the process of making a baby.

Pro-lifers believe they are qualified to judge what is "JUST" in the lives of women when they don't begin to know the circumstances.

No, she is just ceasing the process of giving.

 

Ripping a fetus to shreds directly kills the fetus in a very direct and horrible way; it's not just ceasing the process of giving.

 

Even if a woman has a surgical abortion, it is not horrible for the zef. For the woman, she may have some discomfort for a few days, but it is basically just ceasing the process of giving the zef a life. You've been too much swayed by those fake abortion pictures, you should watch a c-section or even a vaginal birth.

 

But they DO want to be pregnant at some point. Just not right now. So they have their fetus sucked out, because now is not the right time.

 

Can you appreciate the difference between being pregnant at fifteen and being pregnant at twenty-five? Can you appreciate the difference between being pregnant while still a student with no money and being pregnant while having a good-paying job? Well, I didn't think so, since you can't appreciate AT ALL the difficulties of pregnancy/childbirth at ANY time.

 

The man of course is totally innocent because of his need to fulfill his sexual desires at will, whether he chooses to take responsibility or otherwise, eh?

 

Being aborted is no cakewalk either.

Some men do get vasectomies because they don't want to have to worry about being on the hook for child support, should the woman decide to keep her baby.
Fact is, women have an option. They don't ever have to get pregnant if they don't want to.

 

Again.....it just bleeds through, doesn't it? Anders antipathy towards women.

 

Sometimes seems like choicers have an antipathy towards fetuses.

 

Sure it is, the zef is aware of nothing.

But women do get pregnant when they don't want to, that's the real world. Blaming women for getting pregnant will get you nowhere. You want to blame women for getting pregnant, then blame them again for getting unpregnant. Is there no end to your misogyny?

 

But your antipathy towards women...is constantly exposed, Anders. You talk of vasectomies....but ONLY in the context of how those "evil women go after those poor men for child support" and the man has to "protect himself" from them.

Along with a continuous strain in your posts....it's pretty clear your view of women is negative.

 

I am not a misogynist. I believe that both women that have abortions, and men that get them pregnant, should get their tubes tied and have vasectomies. Both genders are both equally responsible, and they should not make the problems worse by having and aborting even more children.

 

At least he respects innocent human life. And he doesn't have a negative view of ALL women, just those women that have abortions.

And it's true. Child support laws are not equal at all. Women discriminate against men. Two wrongs does not make a right. The fact that women were discriminated against throughout history does not justify women discriminating against men. Neither men or women deserve such unjust laws. Men and women should pay equal in child support laws. I honestly feel sorry for men who are forced to pay extra in child support.

 

And you want to pretend that every woman who gets an abortion got pregnant through some sort of immaculate conception.

Why is it that whenever I point out the obvious, you accuse me of misogyny? You think it is just misogyny whenever a pro-lifer (who happens to be male) does not believe in "a woman's right" to kill her unborn children.

 

Look what you wrote,Sam....an ADMISSION that you agree that Anders is misogynistic.

 

And I suppose you think I just love men who force women into getting abortions

 

LOL, you are one who constantly posts about women "who get themselves pregnant."

What you believe is a woman's right is not important until you start to force women to comply with your beliefs. Then you're a misogynist.

 

Pro-choicers want to force others to comply with their beliefs too. They are guilty of misfety.

 

Unless they are practicing Catholics with an over demanding husband.

 

Are all pro-lifers misogynists? Even Churchmouse?

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Both sides want to force others to comply with their beliefs.

 

Pro-choicers are opposed to force which is why they're called "pro-CHOICERS." This is an English speaking board.