Peace and forgotten refugees

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  1. MGB ROADSTER

    MGB ROADSTER Banned

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    A few weeks ago, the Israeli government passed a bill that will commemorate February 17 -- the date of an Arab League call on member states to impose restrictions on the lives, property and legal status of Jews. Will similar recognition of the Jewish persecution in, and eventual expulsion from, Muslim lands occur in the current peace talks, which will certainly address the Palestinian refugees of 1948?
    A Google search for “1948 refugees” produces about six million results. All but a few (at least through page six) are about the Palestinian Arab refugees, as if they were the only refugees of 1948. But it is estimated that from the beginning of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War through the early 1970s, up to 1,000,000 Jews fled or were expelled from their ancestral homes in Muslim countries. Some 260,000 of those refugees reached Israel between 1948 and 1951 and comprised 56% of all immigration to the fledgling state. By 1972, their numbers had reached 600,000.

    In 1948, Middle East and North African countries had considerable Jewish populations: Morocco (250,000), Algeria (140,000), Iraq (140,000), Iran (120,000), Egypt (75,000), Tunisia (50,000), Yemen (50,000), Libya (35,000), and Syria (20,000). Today, the indigenous Jews of those countries are virtually extinct (although Morocco and Iran each have fewer than 10,000 Jews). In most cases, the Jewish population had lived there for millennia.
    Few know this history because the Jewish refugees of 1948 were granted citizenship by the countries to which they fled, including Israel. By contrast, many Muslim countries refused to integrate the Palestinian refugees, preferring to leave them as second-class citizens in order to maintain a domestic demographic balance and/or a political problem for Israel.
    Media bias also explains why so few people know about the 1948 Jewish refugees from Muslim lands. A search for “1948 refugees” on the BBC news site generates 41 articles (going back to 1999); 40 discuss the Palestinian Arab refugees of 1948. Only three of those 40 (dated 9/22/11, 9/2/10, and 4/15/04) even mention the Jewish refugees from Muslim lands, and two do so only in a single, superficial sentence that presents the issue as a claim rather than a historical fact.
    A search for “1948 refugees Jews from Arab lands” on the New York Times site produces 474 results, while “1948 Palestinian Arab refugees” yields 1,740 results. Consider a comparison using Sri Lanka, another war-torn, multi-ethnic country that gained its independence from Britain in 1948. The nearly 26-year ethnic conflict there began in 1983 and claimed 80,000–100,000 lives, many multiples of the total casualties from the nearly 100-year Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Sri Lanka’s conflict also produced hundreds of thousands of refugees, including at least 200,000 Tamil refugees in Western Europe alone. Yet a search for “Tamil refugees” generates only 483 articles – under 5% of the 10,700 results for “Palestinian Arab refugees.”

    Institutionalized favoritism at the UN has also enabled the Palestinians to monopolize the refugee issue, which undoubtedly reinforces the media’s bias. All non-Palestinian refugees around the world (nearly 55 million) are cared for by the UN High Commission for Refugees, which works under the guidelines of the Convention on Refugees of 1951. But Palestinian refugees (whose original population was under one million) have a UN agency dedicated exclusively to them (UNRWA).

    UNRWA’s unique definition of “refugee” includes anyone “whose normal place of residence was Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948, who lost both their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict.” So, in addition to families who lived in the area for generations, UNRWA’s definition includes any migrants who arrived as recently as 1946 but were then displaced. And because the definition includes “descendants of fathers fulfilling the definition,” UNRWA’s refugee population has grown from 750,000 in 1950 to 5,300,000 today (making resolution of the Palestinian refugee issue even harder). Despite these problems, the United States continues to support UNRWA (with over $4.1 billion since 1950).

    The rest of the world’s refugees are assisted by the High Commission, which is mandated to help refugees rapidly rebuild their lives, usually outside the countries that they fled. Jewish refugees from Muslim lands did just that: They rebuilt their lives in Israel and elsewhere. But the fact that they quietly adapted and Israel granted them full citizenship doesn't lessen the wrongs committed by their countries of origin. These Jewish refugees from Muslim lands suffered legal and often violent persecution that resulted in immeasurable emotional and physical loss. They lost billions in property and endured huge socioeconomic disadvantages when forced to rebuild their lives from scratch. Israel was unfairly burdened with the colossal social and economic cost of suddenly absorbing so many refugees. So any suggestion that Jewish refugees from Muslim lands don't deserve compensation is resoundingly wrong.

    On the World Refugee Day last June, Israeli Knesset member Shimon Ohayon, whose family fled Morocco in 1956, called on the Arab League to “accept their great responsibility for driving out almost a million Jews from lands (in) which they had lived for millennia.” He explained that “In 1947, the Political Committee of the Arab League drafted a law that...called for the freezing of bank accounts of Jews, their internment and (the confiscation of their assets). Various other discriminatory measures were taken by Arab nations and subsequent meetings reportedly called for the expulsion of Jews from member states of the Arab League.” Ohayon challenged the League to accept responsibility for “the ethnic cleansing of the Jewish population from most of the Middle East and North Africa...(and) to provide redress to the Jewish refugees.”

    A just and comprehensive Mideast peace is possible only when Muslim states recognize their role in two historic wrongs: 1) displacing one million indigenous people only because they were Jews, and 2) perpetuating the plight of Palestinian refugees by denying them citizenship. The first wrong requires financial compensation to the families of Jewish refugees from Muslim lands. Reparation can be administered by the states that absorbed them and should be a formal part of any comprehensive peace plan. The second wrong should be remedied by granting full citizenship to Palestinian refugees (and their descendants) who have resettled in Muslim lands. Both wrongs have festered for too many decades.
    ** written by Mr. Noah Beck **
     
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    Assad forces attack domestic refugees...
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    US: Reported Syrian Attack on Displaced Civilians is 'Barbaric'
    October 30, 2014 ~ The United States is condemning what it calls a "barbaric" reported attack by Syrian helicopters dropping barrel bombs on a camp for people displaced by the country's three-and-a-half-year war.
     
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    Muslim countries refused to integrate the Palestinian refugees, preferring to leave them as second-class citizens in order to maintain a domestic demographic balance and/or a political problem for Israel.
     
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    There were less than 600,000 Jews who left the Arab countries between 1948 and 1973... Most were prosperous and well assimilated in Arab culture..

    They would still be there if not for the problems caused by the European Zionists.
     
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    http://972mag.com/spineless-bookkee...-as-pawns-against-palestinian-refugees/56472/
     
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    Iraqis likely next to join refugees...
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    UN: Thousands of Iraqis Likely to Join Exodus to Europe
    September 25, 2015 — A senior United Nations official says thousands of Iraqis are likely to flee to Europe in search of asylum as conditions in their country worsen and they lose hope of any changes for the better.
    See also:

    Syrian, Iraqi Bishops Urge Faithful Not to Join Refugee Flow
    September 24, 2015 - Most refugees from Iraq and Syria who are seeking resettlement in Europe are Muslims, but an estimated 10 percent are from religious minorities, adding to fears that both countries could be witnessing the death knell of once-thriving Christian and Yazidi communities.
     
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    Arab Jews would still be living in the Arab world except for European Zionists.. They should collect reparations from the Israelis.

    The Arab Jews left in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973.. Those dates are significant..
     
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    There are <no Arab Jews> but there are Jews from the Arab countries...
    Your definition of the whole situation to say it politely is <lame>...
    Everyone in the world know that ONE Million Jews were forcefully thrown out with their shirts on their back. Egypt had two concentration Camps for Jews one in Abu Zaabal and the other in Toureh. Be somebody make a search and try to be evenhanded.
     
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    Members of the ethnoreligous group known as Jews. Are you a Jewish racist who is qualified to make differentiation's between who can be and who cannot be a Jew? If so, please present your credentials, if not, please stop pretending you are one.
     
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    Empathy falls as refugee overload sets in...
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    As children die reaching for Europe's shores, empathy fades
    Feb 1,`16 -- Five months ago, a 3-year-old Syrian boy's corpse on a Turkish beach galvanized public action for refugees. Now, strikingly similar images are generating little more than a collective shrug.
    See also:

    Merkel says refugees will return home after war is over
    Jan. 31, 2016 - Merkel's statement comes amid criticism from other parties over her refusal to limit the number of refugees entering Germany.
     
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    I knew Jews in Libya as late as 1973...

    You act like the Arab Jews were suddenly expelled.. They weren't.. They dribbled out of the Arab world in 1948 , 1956, 1967 and 1973 as a direct result of the conduct of European Zionists in Palestine.

    This was their intended result.. Quit whining now .. or are you fishing for more reparations?
     
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    Once again <Arab Jews>... Lady you should check definitions.

    JEWISH REFUGEES FROM ARAB COUNTRIES
    From the times of the Assyrian and Babylonian exiles in the eight-century BCE until the present day Jews have lived continuously in the Mediterranean countries. Since the rise of Islam in the seventh century BCE, however, the Jews in those countries conquered by the Moslem armies have been subject to the perpetual discrimination and persecution. The period of Moslem-Arab rule in Spain, during which the Jews enjoyed a wide range of civil rights and were allowed to contribute to the national culture in various areas (711-1146), was the exception that proved the rule. In most countries and during most periods the Jews were not considered equal citizens and were forced to live in ghettoes, with the choice of either conversion or payment of the "jiziya" - a degrading tax of protection.
    From the beginning of Moslem rule, laws and regulations were passed against minorities, or "Dhimmi". These laws, collected apparently from the beginning of the eighth century BCE in the "Covenant of Omar", were applied to the Jewish communities in various periods according to the degree of ill will of the local rulers. The various formulations of this covenant vary in extremity, but all of them single out the Jewish minority in the Moslem world as inferior and lacking basic rights. According to these laws and regulations the Jews were forbidden to build new synagogues and their houses had to be lower than those of their Moslem neighbors. They were forbidden to carry arms for self-defense or ride horses or mules - only donkeys, but without saddles. They were obligated to dress in a less elegant fashion than the Moslems. They had to honor every strange Moslem by rising in his presence and to care for the needs of every Moslem wayfarer. Jews were not allowed to do governmental work or hold any position, which would involve supervision of Moslems. Jewish property, after the death of the owner, was not passed on to the natural heirs but confiscated by the state. These strictures were sometimes considerably tightened. The authorities would ignore violent Moslem mob attacks against local Jews, and there were instances of government-sponsored pogroms as well.
    The condition of the Jewish communities worsened as a result of the rise of Arab nationalism after World War II, and a peak of persecution came with the outbreak of the War of Independence in Israel, when the Jews became hostages of the Arab leaders fighting the infant Jewish state. During 1947 and 1948 persecution intensified in Yemen, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and other Arab states: in some communities (Aleppo, Syria, in December 1947; Cairo, Alexandria and Port-Said Egypt, in June 1948) pogroms were organized against the Jews. Thousands of Egyptian Jews were arrested put in concentration camps and most were deprived of Egyptian citizenship. Hundreds of Libyan Jews were arrested and all their property was confiscated. Violent riots broke out in Iraq and Jewish communal institutions were closed; the extensive Jewish property, both communal and private, was nationalized. The situation was similar in Syria and in several other Arab countries. In a mass attack on the Moroccan Jewish community in June 1948 over forty were killed. In December 1947 dozens of Yemenite Jews were killed in violent riots that lasted three continuous days. Most Jews of these countries had no choice but to abandon all their property and flee for their lives.
    It was in those years that the great Aliyah of Jews from Arab countries began to organize itself. Some 650,000 Jewish refugees who fled from a hostile Arab world found shelter in the State of Israel, and some 200,000 in Europe and North and South America. Of the 300,000 Jews who lived in Morocco in 1948 less than 30,000 remain today; in Tunisia a few thousands out of 20,000, and in Algeria 900 out of 150,000 Jews. In Libya only a few remained from a community of 40,000; in Egypt some seven elderly families out of a population of 95,000 in 1948. An estimated 4,000 Jews live in Syria today, of a community that numbered 50,000; in Iraq 300 of a population of 130,000, and in Yemen practically no Jews remained of the 75,000 who lived there before the establishment of the State. In 1945 some 900,000 Jews lived in Arab countries, many in communities over two hundred years old - virtually the oldest Jewish communities in the world. The Jews of Egypt, North Africa, and Yemen had been there for at least 2,500 years - in Babylon and Egypt since the destruction of the First Temple and in North Africa possibly from the days of the First Temple. The Jews had lived in all those countries for at least one thousand years before the Arabs and the sword of Islam reached them. While there is an estimate for the value of the property the Arab refugees left in Israel, there is no such authoritative assessment of the property left behind by Jewish refugees from Arab countries, whose value is undoubtedly much higher - some estimate between 5 to 7 Billion dollars today.
    Jewish refugees from Arab countries account for forty five percent of the Jewish population of Israel today. Despite the difficulties the State of Israel faced during its initial years, they enjoyed a secure refuge, social absorption, and economic rehabilitation. They received no financial support from the international community; their absorption was financed entirely by the Israeli taxpayer and the Jews of the Diaspora. Unlike the many Arab refugees who fled the War of Independence in 1948, the Jewish refugees from Arab countries were never exploited politically, and for many years [and probably for this reason] the international community did not even recognize the existence of this problem. This changed somewhat after the Six-Day War. The 1967 UN Security Council Resolution 242, adopted as a basis for the solution of the Middle East conflict, includes the call for "a just settlement of the refugee problem." This general designation, "the refugee problem," and not "the problem of the Arab refugees&#8221; as the Arabs had requested, were considered recognition of the existence of Jewish refugees from Arab countries as well. Article 4 of the 5 October 1977, US-Israel agreement calls for a discussion of the problem of the Arab refugees and the Jewish refugees. With the announcement of this agreement President Carter, at a 27 October 1977 news conference, acknowledged the Palestinians' rights as well as the existence of Jewish refugees and their rights
    This recognition of the rights of Jewish refugees from Arab countries obligated the Arab leaders to alter their anti-Israel propaganda policy in this area. Formerly, the demand to return the refugees to the homes from which they had been expelled" was frequently stressed.
    After the adoption of Resolution 242 Arab leaders began instead to spotlight the "rights of the Palestinian people" or the "legitimate rights of the Palestinian people" as a political claim. Since then the Arab demand to change the text of the resolution to include a reference to those rights instead of to "the refugee problem" has continued. Israel has more than once announced her recognition of the necessity for a resolution to the problem of both Jewish and Arab refugees. Also has expressed her willingness to help achieve a resolution if the compensation claim for Jewish Property abandoned in the Arab countries would be raised at the negotiating table.
    Bibliography: -
    Martin Gilbert (The Jews of the Arab Lands)
    Terrence Prittie & Bernard Dineen (The double exodus)
     
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    ~Roman Bennoun

    Blog: Am I an Egyptian Jew?
    2016-02-03 13:25

    http://www.madamasr.com/opinion/blog-am-i-egyptian-jew

    When someone asks me where my family is from, I stop and think. Do I simplify it for them? Do I tell them the truth? What is the truth? Where am I from? For most people it isn&#8217;t normal to freeze up at such a simple question. One usually just has to look at one&#8217;s culture, where one comes from, what language one speaks, what country one was born in, where one's roots are. But what if none of those match up? This is my problem.

    My grandparents were born in Egypt, my mother was born in France, and I was born in America. Everyone in my family either spoke Ladino, Greek, Turkish, or Arabic; I speak English. So who am I and is Egypt really my ancestral home? It&#8217;s a lot to think about for a pretty innocent question. Why is it so hard for me to answer and feel honest about the answer? I think this is because I am an Egyptian Jew.

    Sixty years ago my family was exiled from their home. Poor and confused they wandered across the Mediterranean to France and then across the Atlantic to New York. Growing up I was told stories of how beautiful Egypt was, how amazing the sun and the people were, and how life was perfect. Whether or not this was the truth doesn&#8217;t matter to me. As a child, Egypt represented everything I loved about my grandparents: the spices in the air of their home, the portraits of great-grandparents in fezzes, the large hand motions whenever someone talked and the constant arguing. It was clear from a young age that Egypt was a part of our family, an unspoken bond that united child to mother to grandparent. But to what extent was Egypt part of my world? Was it a close older brother who loved and admired me, or some distant cousin, removed and irrelevant? As I grew older I wanted to understand my family, I wanted a definitive answer. Are we Egyptian?

    When I turned 18, I decided that perhaps I was Egyptian. My family had spent more time in Egypt than any other place in their recent history, we have a Middle Eastern Jewish name. Saying that I was Egyptian made more sense than pulling out a family tree for every new person I met. But you can&#8217;t just decide to be something. You need proof. You need to feel it in the very bottom of your soul. Being Egyptian needs to be something so important to your very existence that it molds you, and defines you.

    So with that in mind, the memory of my grandfather, and a whole lot of nerves, I got on a plane to Cairo. I was the first person in three generations that was desperately hoping to find an answer to the question: &#8220;Am I Egyptian?&#8221; On the plane to Cairo I kept scanning fellow passengers to see if they reminded me of family members or, even better, looked anything like me. It is so hard to describe to anyone who&#8217;s never experienced it, but I felt this desperate need to fit in. When I landed, I was in so much shock that I was actually in Egypt that I was on the verge of tears.

    The first couple of days in Cairo, I felt disappointed. I realized that as a non-Arabic speaker in modern Egypt, I was automatically going to be seen as an outsider. I had just come from Ohio in the winter, so I was even more pale than usual and looked more like my father, a Polish Catholic, than an Egyptian Jew &#8212; whatever that means. But things started to change.

    I went to Old Cairo to buy a small arabesque box as a souvenir for my mother and the moment I entered the small shop I felt at home. The seller spoke with the same gestures that I had grown up with and smelled like the familiar scents of my childhood. The longer I stayed in Egypt the more I felt at home. It was as if I was experiencing a second childhood. I fell in love with ful (fava beans), learned to walk through traffic, and began to listen to Laila Mourad and Om Kalthoum. The best experience finally came when people began to speak to me only in Arabic, confusing me for someone who was born in the country.

    I realized, however, that the Egypt of my grandparents no longer existed. After about a week in Egypt, I wanted to go find a synagogue in Cairo, eager to see if I could find any vestige of the long-gone Jewish community. I decided that my best chance was the Jewish quarter in Cairo&#8217;s Muski neighborhood. It took two hours to find it and when I did, I realized that it had been turned into a market and only in the back of the market was a tiny synagogue &#8212; the Synagogue of Maimonides (Musa Ibn Maymum), one of the most famous Jewish thinkers in history. Despite its legacy and importance as a historic holy site, it was covered in garbage and graffiti, the windows were broken, and dust enveloped every corner and crevice. I stopped and tried to understand why this had happened; why it was in such bad shape despite reports of a US$2 million government-sponsored restoration project in 2010. I wanted to yell and fight someone, and then I wanted to cry. I became angry with the government, &#8220;how could they let this happen?&#8221; To say I was in pain doesn&#8217;t cover the suffering I felt in that one moment. I ended up cleaning up some of the dust from the commandments and took some stones to put on Jewish graves and left down the same alley I had come.

    My experience at the synagogue brought my search for identity to a climax. I realized the Egypt my grandparents were born in had been stolen from them. I realized that it wasn&#8217;t the Egyptian people who had stolen our house, broken our community, and exiled us from our country. It was the work of governments. It has always been governments and politics that are responsible. I was upset at the government for not doing its job and for pitting Jew against Muslim against Christian, brother against brother, family against family. That&#8217;s when I realized that I was Egyptian. In all honesty, there is nothing more Egyptian than realizing that the government has reneged on its role as a symbol of a united Egypt.

    I left Egypt feeling better and more secure about my identity, but also conflicted about what it means to be an Egyptian Jew. I&#8217;ve realized that Egypt is changing like it always does and that as a son of its diaspora I have a unique opportunity to influence its future change. Throughout Egypt people told me how happy they were that I had returned, how proud they were of Jews having lived in Egypt. Yet Zahi Hawass, the former minister of antiquities, who had agreed to restore the synagogue in secrecy, refused to let Jews celebrate in the Maimonides Synagogue, claiming they were the enemy of Egypt. It is hard to understand the contradiction in government policies. The Jewish question is clearly used for government propaganda to distract from real issues. Fascism trumps democracy. Adolf Hitler&#8217;s autobiography, Mein Kampf, is sold on the streets of Cairo.

    I know the Egypt of my grandparents is gone, but I think a new, modern Egypt can be an even better place. The youth of Egypt have taken it upon themselves to correct the faults of authoritarianism and to combat fascism. I wish for them that they make Egypt a place of tolerance and democracy. To them and to all Egyptians I say this, as an Egyptian and a Jew: &#8220;Please remember the history of the Egyptian Jews, honor their memories and make our country into something all Egyptians can be proud of. Please don&#8217;t forget us just as we haven&#8217;t forgotten Egypt.&#8221;
     
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    So now its gone from 600,000 to a million. They left in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973...

    Are you fishing from more reparations?

    Remember that Bibi is asking for an additional $50 billion in US foreign aid over the next ten years.

    Have you no shame?
     
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    That's cuz they just agreed to give $200 billion to the Third World at the Paris climate talk, and a lot of that money will fall in the hands of rogue regimes (wonder how much the Palestinians will get?). It's a deja vu of the Lima Declarations of 1975 which bolstered aid to the Developing nations and converted loans into non-repayable grants which led the Washington enact a similar stance towards Israel a few years later.
     
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    What that has to do with the ONE MILLION JEWS OF THE ARAB COUNTRIES purposely dislocated, wrested, displaced, terrorized, put in 'Concentration Camps', debased, humiliated and forced to sign away their Real Estate, Bank account to the Egyptian Government before saying goodbye to their place of birth?

    Large number of these Jews could date an ancestry record before the advent of the Seventh Century Arab conquests.

    When the Peace treaty with Egypt was signed the 65,000 to 85,000 Jewish Egyptian Refugees were not posted as an item for discussion on the Peace Treaty agenda.
     
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    Oh not this old canard again, Abu Zaabal and Toreh are well known Egyptian prison complexes, not "concentration camps" and yes between 300-500 Jewish people were interned during the 1948 war as potential "fifth columnists" or sabateurs out of a population of 80,000 at the time. Given the Zionists were using biological weapons against Egypt at the time, this was probably a sensible precaution. Was life brutal there, yes. Egyptian prisons are not known for their kindness and hospitality, but the Jewish internees were treated no differently than native Egyptians designated as political prisoners.
     
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    FYI Abu Zaabal and Toureh turned into Jewish <CONCENTRATION CAMPS>
    where sixty Jews were locked together into one cell since the cells where very few and could not accommodate the bulk of Egyptian Jews arrested.

    Sabateurs??? What is Sabateurs pray tell... did they destroy the Pyramids or the Sphinx??? hmmmmmmmm I forgot to mention that the hordes of Islam are the ones who destroyed the famous old Alexandria Library... and in addition the Egyptians of today are not the descendants of the Pharaohs but rather the descendants of the hordes of Islam who behaved then <EXACTLY> like ISIS today!
     
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    In addition... to substantiate and illustrate my last post... this is what is happening today...

    No syndicate members took part in Israel press trip: Journalists' Syndicate

    Tue, 23/02/2016 - 17:51 Egypt Independent
    http://www.egyptindependent.com//ne...-part-israel-press-trip-journalists-syndicate

    The Journalists' Syndicate has denied that any of its members took part in a
    press trip to Israel by a group of Arab journalists that was organized last
    week by the Israeli government as a public-relations exercise.

    On Tuesday, the Israeli army's Arabic-language spokesman Avichay Adraee made
    reference to the press trip on his Facebook page, including a photograph of
    himself standing next to an alleged Egyptian journalist by the name of Rami
    Aziz.

    No further details were given of Aziz, although media reports suggest that
    he may be a journalist of Egyptian origin residing in Europe.

    Mahmoud Kamel, a member of the Journalists' Syndicate board, said in press
    statements that Aziz was not registered as a member of the syndicate. He
    went on to describe the press trip as &#8220;part of a conspiracy by the Zionist
    entity.&#8221;

    Meanwhile, Hassan Ka&#8217;bia, deputy spokesperson for the Israeli Foreign
    Ministry describe the trip as a &#8220;wonderful initiative&#8221;.

    According to the Ynet online news portal, the trip was arranged by the
    Israeli Foreign Ministry as part of a "new initiative to reach out to the
    Arab-speaking world."

    Ynet said the trip involved four Europe-based journalists of Syrian, Iraqi
    and Egyptian descent who work for a range of international media outlets.

    The journalists were allegedly taken on a tour of sights in Israel,
    including the Holocaust Museum Yad VaShem, the Kneesset and the Supreme
    Court. They also also met with Israeli journlists and officials and toured
    Jerusalem, Ynet said.

    The Egyptian Journalists' Syndicate does not allow members to visit Israel
    or have contact with Israeli officials, and it has reprimanded members in
    the past for breaking the rules.

    Egypt and Israel signed a peace treaty in 1979 to put an end to 30 years of
    intermittent warfare. The deal was unpopular with many Egyptians, who called
    for it to be rescinded.

    Edited translation from Al-Masry Al-Youm
    ________________________________________
    IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis
     
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    We must not forget the Jewish Nakba when 850000 to 1000000 Jews were expelled from their homes in
    Arab countries !!
     
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    There's no date for the Jewish Nabka, is there? It happened over a 30 year period ... The European Zionists made it happen.
     
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    99% of world Jewry is Zionist... Margot2 Dear, there are no Palestinians today or there were ever Palestinians period.
    So the Jewish people are returning home to populate it with or without your concent.
     
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    LOL... 99%? Really?? Prove it!

    Tell me, if there are no Palestinians, what nationality are the people that live in Palestine? Who do they pay their taxes to? I do believe I read one of your posts somewhere where you said you have a Palestine passport. Presumably you have an Israeli one, too. So does that mean you are a Palestinian Israeli, or an Israeli Palestinian?
     
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    Let me clarify your attempt at <OBFUSCATION>...
    From 1517 to 1917 it was the Ottoman Empire (400 Years)
    From 1917 to 1947 it was the British Mandate (30 Years) also known as the Palestine Mandate exactly like the British Mesopotamian Mandate that turned to be Iraq,

    From 1948 today it is called Israel so wake up to today's realities...
     
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    The obfuscation is all yours, old chap. As has been the case before, you have answered questions I didn't ask.

    I realise that I might have put you outside your comfort zone but, as I've said to you before, there's no shame in admitting that you don't know the answer(s) to my questions. So let's expand this a little.

    I agree and accept that Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire. However, it was still Palestine.
    I agree and accept that Palestine was put under a British Mandate after WW1. However, it was still Palestine.
    I agree and accept that modern Israel was established in part of Palestine in 1948. However, the rest of Palestine was still Palestine.

    Now, I don't know about you, but where I come from the vast majority of people have nationalities. Nationalities are generally derived from where they were born, their parents' nationality and/or, perhaps, a few other sources. So I don't see any obfuscation in asking you (as an apparent authority on the geo-politics of the area) those questions in my previous post.

    So I repeat:
    What nationality are the non-Israeli inhabitants of Palestine?
    Who do they pay their taxes to?

    In case you're tempted, these are serious 'I would like to know' questions, not just semantics. If you don't know, or can't answer, that's fine. I will seek answers elsewhere and get back to you.
     

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