The Right's Most Loathsome Obamacare Lie Yet

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    The Right's Most Loathsome Obamacare Lie Yet

    Salon | By Sally Kohn | Posted: FRIDAY, NOV 1, 2013 1:15 PM UTC
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    “During congressional hearings with Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., made an interesting argument that some Americans don’t want quality health insurance. “Some people like to drive a Ford and not a Ferrari,” Blackburn asserted. But that begs the question: What kind of Ford?

    As early as 1972, there were reports that when a Ford Pinto was involved in a low-speed collision, the car would spontaneously burst into flames.

    According to a 1977 investigation by Mother Jones magazine, Ford was aware of the problem - resulting from a flaw in the gas tank design - but instead of paying to recall and redesign the car, Ford decided it would be cheaper to pay for the lawsuits.

    Ultimately, at least 27 people and as many as 180 people died as a result of Pinto fires. But it took the government forcing Ford to recall the Pinto for the problem to actually be solved.

    In 2009, millions of Americans lacked any health insurance whatsoever and millions more had private health insurance metaphorically designed to explode at the hint of any serious illness or preexisting conditions or exorbitant medical costs.

    So, in 2009, 14,000 Americans were losing their health insurance every single day. And medical bills were prompting more than 60 percent of all bankruptcies in our nation. In other words, many health insurance policies were patently dangerous and unsafe.

    Now, Rep. Blackburn and her ilk might argue that people should have been free to buy the Pinto if they wanted, without government intrusion into personal choices or private business practice - just like they seem to want to argue that Americans should be free to hold onto their inadequate, costly and reckless insurance policies that throw them off at the slightest sign of illness while forcing costs up for the rest of us.

    But, arguably, most Americans want to buy cars that are safe. Auto companies didn’t want to install seat belts and airbags, just like Ford didn’t want to fix the Pinto. That was government regulation at work, making us all more safe - even if, in some cases, it made cars more expensive. We ultimately save, in every way imaginable, when the number of traffic deaths is dramatically cut.

    This is, in effect, exactly what the Affordable Care Act does with respect to some currently existing, private insurance policies. If those policies don’t meet a new, higher bar of quality coverage, then the government will no longer allow insurance companies to sell them.

    Instead, the 5 percent of Americans who rely on the individual insurance market for their coverage will have other options, all that provide better quality coverage and many of which are far less expensive. Plus, at least half of folks on the individual market will be eligible for subsidies that further bring costs down.

    A great example comes from Deborah Cavallaro, who has been making the rounds on television complaining about her current insurance plan being canceled. Cavallaro had not looked into her other, new options under Obamacare until a Los Angeles Times reporter called.

    Together, they looked at Cavallaro’s options - and found a “silver” plan for Cavallaro that would cost slightly more in her monthly premium but save her tons in terms of her annual deductible and out-of-pocket costs as well as doctor visit expenses.

    Plus, thanks to Obamacare, this plan would not be subject to the annual payment caps or preexisting condition clauses that have been exploding in the faces of consumers for decades.

    After all, it’s important to remember that in 2009, most Americans were not very satisfied with their insurance plans. People wanted better options, and now, thanks to Obamacare, they’ve got ‘em!

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    conclusion:

    “Congresswoman Blackburn and her cohort might fire back something about young, healthy men being required to pay for good insurance plans that cover maternity - one of 10 basic coverage requirements mandated under the Affordable Care Act, this one designed to undo the history of insurance plans discriminating against women and families.

    Perhaps Republicans might also argue that Americans who live in really flat places should be able to buy cars without brakes.

    But that wouldn’t be safe for drivers or the rest of us. And in the case of healthcare reform, in particular, the point here is to bring down costs and raise the quality of care for all of us.

    Those young, healthy men are going to grow up and have families one day - and then eventually become elderly - and will benefit from an insurance system that keeps costs manageable throughout and doesn’t kick off the elderly or infirm. Just as we all benefit from seat belts and airbags, even if we never get in an accident.

    Nobody is forcing anyone to buy a Ferrari plan in the individual health insurance exchange. At least 6.4 million Americans will pay less than $100 per month for coverage in the Obamacare exchanges - which means there are plenty of Fords available. What the Affordable Care Act simply ensures is that those policies will be safe and reliable - and not catch fire when we least expect it.”

    http://www.salon.com/2013/11/01/the_rights_sickest_obamacare_lie_yet/
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    IMO: The history of for profit medical insurance has been a national scandal with its raising prices at will, denying coverage for a multitude of things not mentioned in the contract, yearly raises in plans without formal notice or discussion, making deals with employers of over 100 workers giving expensive medical insurance to them and paying for half, while giving subsidies to the executives of the company with lesser co-pays.

    Rep. Blackburn (R-Tenn.) gave the most disgusting exhibition of what she thinks citizens want from their insurance is clearly wrong, sleazy, callous, and not very well thought out as she said maybe people want low priced, inferior insuranc e rather than an expensive insurance plan that gives her all the coverage she will need.

    To intimate that a woman should only want an insignificant medical plan in favor of a plan that suits her needs and is affordable is just plain republican dumb!

    Also, if the private company doesn’t offer the high quality of coverage in their plan, then Obamacare offers another plan that will give the patient the quality care, cannot dump them at the first sign of illness, and have lower co-pays. The Obamacare plan expects the private companies that a person already has, to give equal plus equal benefits, with no dumping at signs of illness.

    Also, why shoudn’t men pay for health plans that cover maternity...they are half of the reason for the pregnancy if they are married or living with a woman who gets pregnant. It makes good sense for him to have insurance that covers pregnancy and childbirth in case he needs it in the future...it sure beats the costs of pregnancy, childbirth, and cost of the infant for him to have to pay.

    For instance, my medical plan costs pays for Viagra which I would never use, am not married, but it would just be selfish of me to wait to get married to get the insurance I plan to use in the future.

    The idea that people wait to get the insurance only when they need it, destroys the whole idea of mass enrollment to lower the price of the plan for everybody. Mass enrollment is the engine that runs the quality medical plan for everybody and guaranteeing medical care for the poor of America.
     
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    Why all the opinion pieces in current events?
     
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    So let me see if have understand what this thread is all about. Marsha Blackburn said some people would prefer a Ford (being a reliable care that would get you where you want) to a Ferrari (a prestige sports car which goes really fast, but you have to break the law to do it, and it cost 20 to 80 times as much as a Ford, and must constantly be repaired) and because Ford had one model of car 46 years ago, built under the aegis of the Carter Administration, then Republicans are loathsome liars. Is that pretty much what this thread is all about?

    Fact: Some people prefer Fords, the only northern car company in America that was running on a sound economic foundation, and didn't need a government bailout.

    Fact: Some people do not want all the crap that is mandated by Obamacare. I really do not need maternity care and neither does my wife.

    Please tell me there is some intelligence to this brainless, banal, turgid and insipid article that somehow was completely overlooked and was thrown into the "continued:" section that wasn't posted.
     
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    Garbage thread with no merit. OPer should be ashamed.
     
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    And people who are not going to need maternity leave, birth control...etc. should not be forced to pay for it, for others. Why should I be forced at the point of a gun to buy a product, I'm not going to use? It would be like going to the store and buying peanuts that I'm allergic to.
     
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    Technically, every article in totality becomes an opinion piece by mandate of Political Forum rules. Politics in its entirety is made up of opinions and beliefs, so I don't see any problem with my article as it speaks for itself. The facts (not opinions) show the loathsomeness of the attack against Obamacare by Rep. Blackburn which any sane person knows is a vast improvement over
    the current fraud-ridden private insurance plans that did litttle for the American people while charging them with high rates and co-pays. They are rich and powerful today because of the fraud perpetrated against the people of America.

    Look at your own opinion-laced reply.....:smile:

    btw: you do better in real debate, sweetie.....
     
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    ...but...but... you don't mind paying for men's Viagra and other male stimulation products?

    And your callous remark about 'guns' is highly inflammatory...the only time 'guns' may be mentioned, is within your own close group of friends at the NRA.
     
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    Nice try, RR...but your reply shows how afraid you are of the truth being told....:cheerleader:
     
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    My insurance does not cover those things and if I was a single woman, I would not want that taxed onto my policy either. If I was married and my hubby needed that, it would be different.

    People are being forced at the point of a gun to buy these policies.
     
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    As long as it is opinions from the radical liberals it is allowed for some reason.

    This is really a stupid thread. People shouldn't be forced to buy insurance or forced to pay for other's.
     
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    Now I am forced to do that too, don't need that coverage.

    Your gun line is just lefterism for "the democrats love running all the high crime towns and I love supporting them"
     
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    I agree, we need universal health care (for as much taxes as we pay, we should expect it, just like our roads)

    the conservatives individual mandate needs to go....

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    Do you also believe that people who can not pay for heath care should be left to die when they get sick?
     
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    Unless you have a $5,000 deductible, the costs of your insurance plan will cover the cost of Viagra for your husband's lovemaking, plus every other male in the plan that needs it but cannot afford to pay for it.

    Think about the hypocrisy of that....a medical plan pays for Viagra...but refuses to pay for birth control pills, condoms, abortions, or pregnancies if women cannot afford them.
     
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    Yeah... don't let the poor decide for themselves if they can afford it. Make them get that (*)(*)(*)(*)!

    I do not take handouts. I do not live on the dole. I WILL not receive funding from government programs, and I have been poor. You would force me to make two new car payments because I have pride... and YOU believe if I can get something free, I should.

    No.

    What happened to it being a free country? What happened to my ability to decide for myself what is best for me in my situation? You sit wrapped around the presidents leg slow humping it for invading my privacy, my rights, my pocketbook... you have the audacity to talk about the "right" lying about Obamacare because in your opinion it is for everyones own good.

    How about you look at the ACTUAL lies about Obamacare... not what you expect the future will demonstrate to be false equivalence? How about you address that man whose leg you are wrapped around, (*)(*)(*)(*)ing straight faced lying for years about this implementation?

    You act as if you are truths advocate.

    And that, dear, is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing lie.
     
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    Along with the rest of it.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Happens everyday and obamacare will not keep it from happening.
     
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    No 5000k deductible and it does not cover Viagra. I don't think you know as much about insurance as you think you do.
     
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    OP doesn't meet standards for thread creation--closed.
     
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    Get Well Soon....kisses....
     
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