UK will classify "Islamist extremism" as distinct ideology

Britain to tackle "Islamist extremism" after soldier's murder

Dec 4 (Reuters) - Britain plans to classify "Islamist extremism" as a distinct ideology, British Prime Minister David Cameron said on Tuesday, as part the government's response to the murder of a soldier on a busy London street.

Cameron said he would implement recommendations he had received from a task force he set up after the murder of Lee Rigby in May, to try to stop people being radicalized by "hate preachers". "Islamist extremism" would, for the first time, be classified as a distinct ideology to guard against it being confused with traditional religious practice, he said.

Cameron wants to tackle violent ideologies that claim Islamic justification but by doing so in a way that does not alienate Britain's 2.7 million Muslims.

The new definition would make it clear that "Islamist extremism" was a distorted interpretation of Islam that betrayed the religion's principles and tried to sow division. Britain will also draw on techniques it has used to fight online pornography to make it easier for people to report material deemed extremist and work with Internet providers to create filters to allow people to block such content.



http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/12/04/britain-islam-security-idINL5N0JI4FE20131204

OK... I was trying to digest this piece of news from across the pond this morning... help me out here, friends. So, the islamic extremism has nothing to do with Islam and really is a religion in itself? Cameroon calls islamic extremism an ideology, but he's just being politically correct, for has anyone ever heard of an atheist islamic extremist? Of course not, they're all deeply religious, pious muslims, led by Muhammed and Allah.

Cameroon is also saying, Islamic extremists trying to sow division and betray the religion principles... but how come these islamic extremists are moving in and out of the mass of good muslims without being rebuked, rebuffed, reported? No, I think Cameroon is wrong - Islamic extremism is very much a part of Islam and islamic culture. He can call it a distinct ideology, but so long as Islamic extremists do their evil deeds screaming Allahu Akbar, they're Muslims, a pious Muslims doing Allah's bidding.

Just a while ago, Cameroon announced plans for London to become a Islamic finance capital of the World... now we can see why he does not want to rock an islamic boat, don't we?

 

And please tell me they can be brought up on the same charges as all the stupid kids in social media who speak out against them.

http://politix.topix.com/homepage/6...uk-over-anti-muslim-twitter-facebook-comments

 

Islam is an interesting one, it is actually very similar to Christianity and Judaism. However there seem to be more verses in the qu'ran that allow for violence and martyrdom. Not only this but Islam is becoming more conservative and has done ever since the ottoman empire.

The trouble is that most 85% maybe less are actually liberal Muslims, have similar believes as many Christians etc. I think because of the extremes in Islam, the religion can be seen as seperate, the same as there are many christian sects.

To me however all religious people are a tad mental. So they can name themselves whatever they want.

 

The difference is the Christians and Jews assertions that the bible and torah are divinely inspired versus the Muslims assertion that the Koran is the literal verbatim word of god herself passed from the Archangel Gabriel to Mohammad. You will be hard pressed to find a Christian or Jew that asserts that gays must be killed (one would have to the look the Fred Phelps or the Kahanists), but for Muslims it is the status quo.

 

No, it clearly states that extremist Islam is an distinct ideology, as opposed to mainstream Islam which is a religion. It is also clear that you have no idea of the distinction. The rest of your post is absurdly transparent race-baiting, as usual.
Let me see now, wouldn't you call political Zionism (a distorted interpretation of Judaism). along with the violence against Palestinians by Jewish settlers, as a distinct ideology at odds with mainstream Judaism? I don't expect you would.

 

Death is not the penalty for homosexuality in the Koran.

 

The Bible, according to what is written in it, is the word of God, the literal truth and allows for no interpretation, analogy or metaphor. I'll try to find the relevant passage. Ah, here you are: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Peter+1:20&version=KJV

 

Yep christians always respected homosexuals

 

First, let us be clear that anything I post that includes the words "muslim" or "Islam" will automatically be considered as "race-bating" by you and yours. The same as when Conservatives mention Obama, it automatically considered as race-bating by the Liberals; nothing new here.

Yes, Cameroon tries to appease muslims by labeling Islamic extremism "distinct ideology", which of course it is. Islamic extremism is still "Islamic", and is condoned by the mainstream muslims, who rarely speak against it. All Islamic extremists are muslims, pious muslims first and extremists second. Have you ever heard of an atheist islamic extremist?

 

Actually I believe that what passes for 'Islamic' extremism is about as far divorced from the Islamic faith as you can get.
As for Muslims rarely speaking out against extremism, you only have to look.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Muslim_Coalition_Against_Terrorism

Now, we in Britain also had decades of indiscriminate Irish Republican bombings. They self-identified as Catholics fighting the Protestant British. I don't recognise much of the Christian ethic in murdering women and children, do you?

Is what I'm getting at sinking in now?

 

So you're drawing parallels between Irish Republicans and Islamic Jihadists... That's fine. Still, not what the OP is all about. I submit, Islamic Extremism is very much a part of Islamic culture, regardless of Cameroon trying to prove otherwise.

 

That's not true. For instance, there's not a Bible scholar in existence that would say that Jesus was advocating literally cutting off your hand of plucking out an eye to keep from sin. In fact, there were several times Jesus used hyperbole and figures of speech using terms we would be unable to relate to today, much like saying "hit the lights" would be lost on the Apostles.

The complete passage is "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." - which means that all prophecy is ordained by the Holy Spirit and usually explained by mortal interpretation. But in a larger sense, Jesus Himself said "Sure, the laws are still in effect. Now, let the guy without sin enforce punishment." The point being that men had completely misinterpreted the spirit of the laws, and Jesus explained what God REALLY wanted - which even the prophets of the OT kept saying was mercy.

 

I see that you have some very negative perspectives about Islam. Why do you have such a disdain for Islam?

 

For all the bad news coming from Europe about PC being done wrong, and allowing criminals to run free because of fear of being called a racist, this story is one shining example of PC done right!

This folks is how to fight a violent and oppressive, growing threat to modern society while not painting with a broad brush any one group, but by allowing people to know the clear division and be able to choose whether they will live in peace with their neighbors, or whether they will choose the violent path and be shunned by the rest of society.

This is a good thing.

 

Nah... We really only have a positive perspectives for Islam...

 

Ever hear of Sufism?

 

Dutch, I thought you knew by now that this cutting is a minority within a minority and outlawed in many places.. Why are you still posting about it?

 

I believe that you, Dutch, judging by your picture and your posts, are ignorant and prejudice. You do not seem to grasp the actual root cause of how Islamic extremism came to play, and so instead you rely upon anti-Islamic politicized info of some sort to fall back on.

 

Isn't it interesting that the only 'extremism' in my city has been attacks against Muslims by white Britons. Not a single instance of Muslims attacking anyone. You can "submit" as much as you like, but I daresay you never even met a Muslim.
I don't usually have much respect for Cameron but in this case he's right on the money. Yelling 'Allahu akbar' before you blow yourself up in no way identifies you as a Muslim when you're invoking the Prophet as a justification for mindless murder. The same goes for anyone of any faith employing the same tactics.

Painting all Muslims, or their culture, with the same brush reveals nothing less than the author's bigotry, ignorance and stupidity. In that case Cameron's words will fall on deliberately deaf ears.

 

Ah, but I have. I think I've seen a moslem once, from far. I'm pretty sure it was him

 

Zionism is a predominantly secular movement which is based on the the shared ethnicity of the Jewish people, Zionism is not violent in fact it simply means support for the existence and continued existence of the state of Israel so it would be those who oppose Zionism who are violent in that not supporting Zionism means to support the destruction of Israel by default.

 

Abject nonsense, provide a single passage from the bible where it states it is the direct word of god, you are blatantly lying, Christians and Jews believe that it is only divinely inspired. The passage you cited had to do with prophecies contained in the bible not the bible in its totality, in fact your next line makes it perfectly clear that the prophecies themselves are only divinely inspired by the holy ghost rather than the direct word of god:

"21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

 

Yep we have to go to medieval times for you to actually have a point.

 

What do you think the root cause is exactly?

 

The majority of British Muslims support Sharia law, I would say that's pretty extreme, funny that to placate to these people to define extremism to murderers alone.