Should white men be punished?

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  1. ryobi

    ryobi Well-Known Member

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    Should white men be punished today for what other white men did in the past before they were born?
     
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    If they benefit today from the crimes that the other white men committed in the past, then they shouldn't be punished for it but they should have to pay restitution from what they have benefited from.
     
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    Who should white men pay restitution to???
     
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    ryobi Well-Known Member

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    Should African Americans pay restitution to white men since 2,128,948 white men fought to free African Americans from slavery during the civil war?
     
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    No. Nor should white woman, black men, etc, etc.

    Why do you ask?

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    Balderdash- the Confederate apologists always tell us that the Union never fought to free anyone from slavery.....
     
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    I ask because this seems to be a fundemental principle shared by liberals.

    I ask because I've never voted for a Republican, but I'm not going to vote for a party that believes I should be punished for things that happened before I was born.
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nobody should be punished for the colour of their skin. Do you believe white men specifically are being?
     
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    Affirmative Action???
     
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    Really?

    I am a liberal and I have never said that you should be punished for things that happened before you were born.

    Neither has the Democratic Party.

    You seem rather misinformed.
     
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    You don't think one of the causes and reasons for the Civil War was slavery???
     
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    That is a different question entirely from what I was responding to.

    I think that it is clear that the principle cause and reason for the Civil War was slavery.

    Like I said though- the Confederate Apologists insist that of course slavery had nothing to do with it.
     
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    No OP.

    However, white privilege needs to end, and I say this as a white man myself. I really don't give a crap about who built this country. All men and women should be treated the same in this country.
     
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    Would this not mean every Caucasian from every country that has even migrated to this country must pay restitution to people who they never touched into perpetuity?
     
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    Black folks should put the past behind them and move on.
     
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    What's, "white privilege." Is affirmative action an example of white privilege?
     
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    Affirmative action is a result of white privilege.

    Get rid of white privilege, and affirmative action will instantly be gone.
     
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    What do you think would happen if the blacks were the majority now? Everyone is equal, everyone gets the same chance?
     
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    What white privilege? I never seen it nor has most whites , we are poor and and have problems like all groups , maybe there is rich privilege , I will never know though cause I aint rich :)
     
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    Actually America is paying the restitution not individuals from other countries, but if they become US citizens and pay taxes then I guess yes it would involve them also.

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    If you don't know what was, then you don't know what is and your ill-prepared for what is yet to come.
     
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    Do you believe Condaleeza Rice's kids, or Colin Powell's kids, or Micheal Jordan's kids should get preferential treatment over a white male who grew up in a trailor on food stamps because Conaleeza Rice's, Colin Powell's, and Micheal Jordan's kids are African American?
     
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    So...you don't believe in affirmative action since you believe all men and women should be treated the same-right?
     
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    No, YOU seem rather misinformed. What do you think affirmative action is? What do you think the war on "poverty" is? Its all reparations under a less explosive name. Reparations is always the topic just under the surface, progs first scream "racist" and then immediately try to get compensation.

    "progressives" hearts burn with the desire to punish white people for the sins of the past. they just dont directly ask for reparations, thats too blatant and exposes them for what they really are - socialists looking to confiscate and redistribute wealth. Reparations fly under the names "income inequality", "social justice", "welfare", "education assistance", "affirmative action", and are handed out in programs that let progs control the flow of money.

    In the more overt arena, Dem Congressman John Conyers submitted HR40, Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African Americans Act, in 1989 and has resubmitted it every year since.

    Look at Pigford v Glickman for a judicial boondoggle of reparations spearheaded by D's.

    Or here http://dailycurrant.com/2013/01/24/obama-reparations-top-priority/
     
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    You seem to have reparations on the brain. What do I think the 'war on poverty' was? (50 years ago....)- well I think that it was an effort to reduce.....wait for it....poverty.

    What was Affirmative Action intended to do? It was intended to address 200 years of racial discrimination. Certainly is not a reparation.

    Conyers has been trying to get his bill through for over 20 years....and he is getting no broad support- even when Democrats controlled both Houses.

    Anyway as a white man, I don't think that anyone should be 'punished' for their color.

    Good thing that is not happening anymore.
     
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    I think affirmative action stinks.
     
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    ah but negroes and japanese and everyone else benefits from some of what slavery gave the usa

    overall, it did more harm than good, by far; so, i figure the blacks should pay everyone back for all the harm they caused then and the trouble they cause now.
     

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