Britain's Tea Party sees gains

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    Britain's version of Tea Party rocks political system across the pond

    The often stale British political system is being rocked by its very own Tea Party.

    The UK Independence Party (UKIP), formed in 1993 opposing Britain’s entry into the European Union, failed to make an electoral dent for a long time. However UKIP has built up steam in recent years and is spearheading a seismic shift in the British political spectrum.

    In this year’s local elections – the British version of midterms -- UKIP took a stunning 23 percent of the vote, up from the 3.1 percent they won in the 2010 national election. Their leader, Nigel Farage, is buoyed by their recent success.

    “We want to take back our country, we want to take back our government, and we want to take back our birthright,” Farage told FoxNews.com in forthright language rarely seen in British politics.

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    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...tea-party-rocks-political-system-across-pond/

    Looks like they're getting tired of the insanity that's destroying their country too. I'm glad to see it and they may yet save their once great nation. I'll be keeping an eye on this.
     
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    Not a surprise to me; glad to see it.

    These movement are going to be a necessary and expected pushback to the consistent trudge of liberalism in every Western country. This is the new Cold War, folks.

    It is people who believe in TEA Party sentiments versus totalitarians who have gotten clever enough not to overtly present at totalitarians, but those who 'care' enough about 'the poor' to suck the lifeblood out of every successful free market or quasi-free market economy on the planet.

    Not because they care about the poor at all - but because they hate free markets.

    GO Britain! Recapture the freedom to live as we were all meant to live!
     
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    How ironic that tyranny and totalitarianism has been packaged so successfully to appeal to people and trap them.
    Liberty has no appeal anymore? Individual rights gladly given up for group rights? Under group rights the People own everything and YOU own nothing.

    Odd that people are so easily bought off and for pennies at that ~
     
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    I support much of UKIP's ideals but they are a young party and have yet to mature as a party.

    The fact is that immigration is hurting the economy and creating serious problems.

    Now we have many immigrants who have been here for along time but back then it wasn't that big a problem.
    It's the EU migrants that taking away jobs which we could of been doing for ourselves instead of being forced onto the dole.

    To be fair though I don't actually blame EU migrants for wanting to come here and in their mind they're doing no wrong but the business practices and lack of government control has meant that UK workers can't compete with cheaper euro workers.

    I myself have done a variety of jobs from supermarket worker to running my own business but having lived in a county that has limited opportunities I've often found myself trying to work in farms and in one case a sawmill.
    Both of which were dominated by non-UK workers and I was often harassed by them and very few understood English.

    There is a strong liberal "champagne socialist" ideology that dominates government policy and often those that try and debate the alternative are touted as being bigoted.

    I'm not actually opposed to the concept of immigration but I think that we've gone too far and the damage is only growing. This will force the growth of ultra nationalism and immovable right wing ideals.

    Thanks for injecting life into section of the forum.
     
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    Agree... But EU migrants that take away our jobs is not the real problem.
    The real problem is Muslim migrants who are slowly taking control of our way of life.
    Violence !! Shariah !! View attachment 24709
     
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    We have that here in America too and we call them "elitists". They're fully supported in their view by the poor fools they've bought off for pennies.

    It has and it will. Sad that people always have to learn the hard way that too much of anything isn't good.
     
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    A "TEA Party" will see gains in any country because there will always be a group who doesn't want to pay taxes.
     
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    I live in a very strong Muslim area which is inhabited by people who came from India, Pakistan and Iran.
    Most of them actually have northern accents and are British and those that aren't keep to themselves.

    Those lunatics who protest in London about Jihad and sharia Britain number in the lower hundreds and will ultimately fade in time.
    But they are very good at capturing the presses attention.
     
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    They are and it's methodical and deliberate. The Ottoman Empire has never ceased.

    Beware of these people and their quest for domination. They're deadly serious.
     
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    People understand that some taxes are necessary. It's over-taxation that is the problem and govt exceeding it's power, not to mention wastefulness and gimmies to friends and to "buy" votes.

    Why is it that you choose to misrepresent that basic truth?
     
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    Yep, completely detached from the people who make their wealth possible and position possible, ivory tower types.

    History repeats itself because human psychology hasn't changed but in this case we risk seeing the rise of racially motivated violence.
    And there are few isolated examples of where immigrants have been targeted.

    I've found that my fellow Britons are a very tolerant and patient bunch but when pushed hard enough become something very different.
     
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    The American Tea Party, the British Nationalist Party, John Birch society, etc ....

    all the same knuckle dragging "we're losing our country to dark people" ilk
     
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    Americans are patient too. I hope we don't wait too long.

    "Accusations of racism as a political weapon" has been cultivated by the collectivist Left here and it's getting pretty bad. People are starting to openly hate each other and our president and his Attorney General have been promoting it too. We have this "knock out game" going on and it's a manifestation of the race baiting our leaders and civil rights leaders" (Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson) have been cultivating for decades. Now that the president and Attny Gen'l are pushing it too, the racial tension has gotten as bad as I've ever seen it in my lifetime.

    Speak out about any of this and you get called .......... racist. The Gay Rights militant organizations are doing it too; if you even think a person's sex life is best left private, they call you homophobe.

    People don't like being falsely and the tension is building. Not a good thing.

    And all of it was done for power and money.



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    I know of many taxed-enough-alreadiers who do not want to pay any taxes -- even for interstate commerce or military protection. Meanwhile, they want laws that prevent abortion and gay marriage. I don't see how these laws will be enforced without funding or bigger government, but I never claimed that Tea Partiers made any sense.

    Every law-abiding American gets government representation if they vote. Lack of representation is yet another excuse that TPs use to shirk their social responsibility by not paying taxes.

    That's the "basic truth".
     
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    I don't know who you know and I put absolutely no credibility in your claim. Libertarians and Tea Party people are NOT anarchists.
     
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    I really don't know that much about UK politics, but positive government is ingrained in their society and worldview. Same with most of Europe - it is why they have a long history with periods of discord, revolution, restoration of order, war - rinse and repeat with a new set of actors with slightly different rules, but always with positive government undergirding everything.

    Don't know what the European Tea Partiers are advocating, but even here in the U.S. a sizable portion of the Tea Party are not adherents to the original intent of our Constitution. Many of them simply want common sense, pay your bills budgets, and knock off all the "special interest" cronyism. What is lacking from that point of view is principle, i.e. the principle of the rule of law.

    If you don't adhere to the rule of law, i.e. you don't fight for strict definitions of what the government is allowed, and not allowed to do, then everything eventually boils down to an argument. Those on the left care nothing about principle, and the ends certainly do justify the means - if the argument gets dragged into the mud, and becomes a food fight - all the better.

    With no rules, eventually anything goes - it is always thus with positive government. It doesn't matter what label you slap on your favored flavor of positive government - socialism, progressivism, social democracy, fascism, nazism, communism, etc, etc... positive government, is positive government. It always ends in moral and fiscal decay and bankruptcy; which ends in collapse; which transitions to tyranny or authoritarian rule of some type or another.

    It is the #1 lesson of history over and over again.

    If the European Tea Partiers are not fighting with principle, then they are tilting at windmills. Which is about all the U.S. Tea Partiers are doing. Without principle, without the rule of law as your Mighty Sword of Truth, the effort is in vain.
     
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    The Ottoman Empire collapsed before the Great War.
     
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    If UKip don't stand for abolition of the House of Lords and its replacement with a fully elected house of review along the lines of the US or Australian Senate(s) (sorry Canada, you have to do something about your upper house as well), then they're not really in favour of democracy at all.
     
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    They don't call themselves that, but it's the same people with the same methods and goals. You don't get that?
     
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    Interesting, but I wonder how far this will go.

    The right in Britain, has been occupied by the Tories, the Conservative Party since the Romans left and the party to which Britons always return when the socialists have screwed the pooch.
    Previous, similar measures, The Reform Party of Canada in the 90's for example, have had serious consequences in the multiple party Parliamentary system. We had had the corrupt Chretien Liberals do endure because of the vote splitting on the right.
     
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    UKIP is primarily interested in leaving the EU hence the title "UK independence party"
    Leaving the EU would seriously reduce the burden of mass migration as well as those seasonal workers who do dominate manufacturing and agricultural industries.
    We would also be free of EU laws/directives that directly threaten our livelihoods and erode our sovereignty as well as the ability to self govern.

    The upper house in the UK or the house of lords as it's known has considerably less power than people think and is ultimately there to review and ratify bills passed by the house of commons.

    Britain is a constitutional monarchy and when it works can actually be better than other conventional democracies.
    But the problem with democracy is that it requires popular input so when people become apathetic as they are here about voting then you get all sorts of the wrong people in government and parliament.
     
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    Unfortunately the Labour governments of the past have seriously screwed up.

    Personally what scares me is some of the enthusiasm that Ed Milliband has been getting because his ideals are simply unworkable and I think that he's that bright either.

    From my perspective most people in the UK do believe that there is a EU/migrant problem and are very tempted to vote UKIP as they are only large party that actually has this policy.
     
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    I'd have to say different people, different goals. As for methods, the Ottoman Empire pretty much went full on with near-total warfare and didn't rely on terrorism and guerilla warfare to advance its interests.

    I'm not minimising the activities of AQ or Salafists or any other Islamicist movement. I'm suggesting we need to understand them to defeat them and a proper understanding is good.
     
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    Leaving the EU might be problematic for Britain. It's a bit like moving from a constitutionalmonarchy to a constitutional republic, easy in theory but full of prickles in
    practice.


    The Lords is composed of the reps of the traditional ruling class. I have to chuckle when I read about Labour peers. Co-opted they are. I mean you've even got Church of England types in there. Britain has to dump it or admit there's no true democracy in the UK.
     
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    Fair enough. But understanding them isn't hard - they've been real up front about all things them.
     

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