germany will use its army more in foreign conflicts

German defense minister Ursula vond er Leyen announced that our Bundeswehr will be used more often in foreign conflicts, for humanitarian support.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...ement-der-bundeswehr-im-ausland-a-945568.html

I believe thats a positive thing. Germany too long depended on cheque book diplomacy. That must end. We are an economic giant but reluctant in military aspects.

 

Maybe they will set example of what real humanitarian issues are where they apply military presence, for instance the congo, something the US ignores daily.

 

if I remember correctly there was a restrictions placed on German military operations beyond their borders after WW2

That is exactly what we need to do is let Germany start ignoring the conditions of surrender again, them doing that and us letting them after WW1 is what gave them the ability to start WW2

 

Please leave your imaginary world. We already rule europe and we needed no military to do that.

Who do you think you are to cut our freedom? We are an independend nation and we decide about our military operations.

 

History teaches us that allowing Europeans and especially germans to think means a lot of death and destruction for the rest of the world. We were all best off when the soviets ran the eastern block and we deominated NATO. Germany is a barbaric and murderous people for those that choose to ignore history.

 

you are an independent nation because we allowed you to be one but according to rants like yours that was a mistake

 

We are 82 million people. We have our future in our own hands. We are not your property. We worked hard to be in the position we are now and im proud for that

 

and we turned a blind eye after WW1 and allowed Germany to pursue their future and what did that give us WW2

 

You honestly don't think Germany has learnt some kind of lesson?

 

you would think they would have after WW1 and they didn't

 

No, you treated germany like dirt after WW I, humilated us where you could and got the revenge. People were desperate and know no other solution, Hitler offerd those.

Times have changed. Germany is the most popular country worldwide. We are a responsible partner and friend to others.

 

Read your history, mate. After WWI was an entire different set of circumstances.

Oh wait, you only have the 'American' slant on European history.

 

history is plain and clear not once but twice America had to go across the pond and win wars that we had nothing to do with their creation
other then allowing the childish countries of Europe run around like school children that couldn't get along flexing the puny little muscles
so dam right we will keep our nose up there ass to make sure we wont have to do it a third time

 

Like I said,, read your history and don't rely on your opinions, which quite honestly aren't worth much.

 

Some reality for you, the US did not win the wars, the Soviet Union took the brunt of the German war machine, and in WWI, the war was nearing completion, the US just helped finish it. That being said, in 1970, 50% of the German population was 25 yrs or younger, they most certainly learned a lesson.

 

actually America did win ww2. the allies were in a bad spot till we entered the war. its like Eisenhower said, Europeans seem to enjoy war.

 

Don't send your troops out of Germany. Keep them all inside the country, defending it. That's their function, after all.

Instances where foreign intervention is justified are very rare. It's highly unlikely that Germany or Australia will be presented with one in the foreseeable future.

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I'm not a fan of foreign intervention for humanitarian purposes. If a nation expects others to respect its sovereignty, it should respect the sovereignty of others. The UN's responsibility to protect mandate is a bunch of junk. It's arbitrary, and it costs an absolutely astronomical amount of money - money which has to be stolen from citizens.

So you end up oppressing your own population to 9 times out of 10 oppress another. There are exceptions, like Somalia, but even then there's a strong argument to be made for limited involvement.

Please, I don't want to see "Team Deutschland: World Police".

 

Taxcutter says:
Dandy! I wonder how they plan to get to such conflicts.


Re: Post #15
Is it your assertion that the Entente would have defeated the Central Powers if the US had not intervened in 1917-1918?
Is it your assertion that the Allies would have defeated the Axis if America had stayed on the sidelines 1942-1945?

 

The Germans are perfectionists.

And that's fine when the product is automobiles or precision machine tools.

But every time they try to perfect their war machine it leads to problems such as WWI and WWII.

 

I don't know why you would want your country to get entangled in foreign conflicts.

 

if german government do not know how spend taxpayers' money, it can ever cut the tax instead increase the spending for show how much is powerfull.

 

cutting tax would be a bad idea. Our economy is already running hot and must be slowed down to stay at reasonable growth.

 

0.4% is a long long way from hot

 

I wonder where this self proclaimed moral superiority comes from.
"We" turned a blind eye? "Barbaric people." Yeah, right. History is that simple.
I also wonder where, geographically, these posts originate from. Let me guess, some Americans thinking they personally embody "freedom", liberty and peace"?
A country that has instigated more military conflicts than any other nation in the world after 1945. The only country that has ever dropped atomic bombs on civilian (or any other) targets.
Interesting.
Wonder where this moral superiority comes from.

 

Might is right?
Who can deny the moral (as opposed to ethical) authority of the US when it is backed by such a formidable military. But I'd rather the US than Germany or China dominate. Of course my own country is much preferred, but that's a dream. 😴