In 1922, after the Allies conquered the Levant from the Ottomans, there were 6.3 million people in what is today Jordan, Israel, the West Bank, Gaza, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Kuwait. The total land mass was 295,000 square miles. The total number of Jews, was 262,000. The current State of Israel is 8,522 square miles, or 2.8% of the entire Levant. The Jews in 1922, made up 4% of the total population of the Levant. ...and yet today they only control less than 3% of the land. ..its hard to see how even this little snipped of land, is unfair.
Jerusalem and Damascus were liberated by the Brits in 1917.... But here is something to entertain you between posts. Weekly Commentary: The Pig Pilot Checklist ~Dr. Aaron Lerner Date: 30 January 2014 It is both frustrating and disturbing. There is a group of people pushing for the creation of an independent sovereign Palestinian state who have consistently been on the wrong side of history for over two decades and they are as haughty and conceited today as they were at the very beginning of the gross failure known as Oslo . But the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state would truly only be in Israel’s interests if pigs could fly. So here is an excerpt from the pig pilot checklist: #1. The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan will remain stable and under moderate leadership in perpetuity. #2. The Palestinian state will remain stable and under moderate leadership in perpetuity. #3. No country or collection of countries will ever attempt, for any reason, to invade Israel. #4. The Palestinians will act with due diligence and great efficacy to honor their treaty obligations, in particular security related obligations, at all times and under all circumstances. #5. The nations of the world will give priority to Israel’s security needs and concerns over their own interests and agendas. I could go on but its already clear that this pig isn’t flying anywhere. Take note: proponents of a deal have yet to come up with a reasonable answer to Minister Naftali Bennett’s intuitive warning that the cost of the consequences of a Palestinian terror state dwarf the costs, no matter how great, of failed talks. Minister Lapid took an unsuccessful stab at it on Wednesday night, asserting that the same nightmare of rocket and other attacks from the West Bank that Bennett warns might destroy the Israeli economy if a Palestinian state is created could plague Israel if a deal isn’t reached. Silly is a generous adjective to describe this argument. Not only would a sovereign Palestinian state find it magnitudes easier to deploy weapons systems in the West Bank - Israel’s options and risks in addressing both the Palestinian deployment of weapons systems and in responding to Palestinian attacks would be profoundly different if the territory is an independent sovereign state backed by various regional and world powers as it exploits its sovereign status to the hilt. A suggestion to Mr. Lapid and his fellow pig pilots: just for once show the Palestinians the respect that they deserve and consider the possibility that they mean what they say in Arabic. Give the Palestinians the credit that they are just as creative and determined - if not more - to reach their goals as we are. And in that moment, bereft of the typical patronizing of the Left, consider how you would exploit the existence of a sovereign Palestinian state to achieve your goals if you were a Palestinian who meant what he said in Arabic. If the pig pilots would genuinely and honestly engage in this role playing they would most certainly experience an epiphany: Palestinian autonomy may not have the same appeal as Palestinian sovereignty, but it’s a much safer ride. Dr. Aaron Lerner, Director IMRA (Independent Media Review & Analysis) (Mail POB 982 Kfar Sava) Tel 972-9-7604719/Fax 972-3-7255730 INTERNET ADDRESS: imra@netvision.net.il Website: http://www.imra.org.il ________________________________________ IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis Website: www.imra.org.il
Considering Jews were robbed of their property and expelled from Muslim countries all over the ME and North Africa where they had been living for centuries, the percentage of land should be far higher, actually.
This about the Ottoman lands liberated by the Brits and French. These lands, of the Levant, had no borders. The current borders, are myths. They were created by old arrogant Europeans. But the fact is, the Jews made up 4% of the population, and were given less than 3% of the land for their own state. Looking at the situation from this perspective, changes things does it not? Sure, Let there be a Palestinian state in the West Bank, for we can't ask them to simply move to Jordan. But the Arabs need to accept the Jewish state in the Levant.
Today in the Levant, there are 77.8 million people. 6.3 million are Jews, or 8%. this 8% still only controls 2.8% of the land. wow.
All those who want to visit Israel as tourists, are welcome to fly their and enjoy that beautiful place.
What have Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Kuwait to do with Palestine? Levant is an euphemism, but Palestine is a reality. There were virtually no Jews in Palestine 1922, and they owned virtually no land there. Today Zionists have already stolen almost all fertile land in Palestine, all fresh water, ethnically cleansed huge regions of Palestine from its native Semitic inhabitants and replaced the native population with migrants who claim to have special "God given" rights to this stolen land. That us what people call racism, and that is a crime, condemned by the international law.
No levantine Jews had any intentions to leave their native countries in 1922 They lived in peace with their Muslim and Christian compatriots, and they were opposed to these crazy and racist Europeans who called themselves Zionists and who had been planning a genocide against the native Palestinians and land robbery since 1877. You can read about these crazy and racist plans in the article by Disraeli "The Jewish question is the oriental quest". He planned to "resettle" 1 million Jews to Palestine (yes, he talks about PALESTINE), and he is talking about the "Hebrew race", it is obvious that this crazy guy was a racist. In his political novel "Conigsby" Disraeli openly talks about conspiracy against non-Jews and Jewish world dominance. As we see, the crazy racists, who called themselves Zionists, forged their genocidal plans already in 1877, there was no Hitler and no pogroms in Europe, and Levantine Jews lived in prosperity in their native countries. After the crazy white Zionists had ethnically cleansed parts of Palestine from its native Semitic population, they needed new settlers, but white Jews were reluctant to settle in Israel. That is the reason why white Zionists had to instigate hatred towards Jews in levantine countries, they were caught red handed in "false flag operations", aimed at forcing the oriental Jews to move to Israel. Most of these oriental Jews were lured to Israel by the promises of white Zionists, and they feel that they were fooled. That is the reason why the swarthy oriental Jews hate so much the white European Zionists. In a nutshell: The Zionists forced the Oriental Jews to settle in Palestine AFTER they had already ethnically cleansed parts of Palestine from the native population. And if any oriental Jew wants to return to his native country he should do this, because he has a right to do this, and this right is guaranteed by the international law. The same right is given to expelled Palestinians and their descendants, they have the right to return to their native places. Any country that violates the international law (be it Israel or any other country) must be punished.
So ... these Zionist Masterminds duped millions of their own people and operated some great conspiracy over decades completely undetected by anyone, except of course by shrewd investigators like yourself? How did they pull this thing off? Did they personally hypnotize millions of Jews and goyim alike with magical pocket watches to do their bidding?
With considerable support from Arab revolution against the -then corrupt Ottoman rulers .. The Arab League has made such a peace proposal Arab states affirmed that they would recognize the state of Israel, consider the Arab-Israeli conflict over and establish "normal relations" with Israel. The initiative is based upon: The principle of Land for peace The conviction of the Arab countries that a military solution to the conflict will not achieve peace or provide security for the parties The proposal, from Saudi Arabia, offered Israel recognition by the Arab countries, including into peace agreements and normalisation of relations if Israel would: withdraw from all territories occupied by Israel since the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, "Kerry said after his meeting with the Saudi leader that Abdullah’s 2002 initiative “has been part of the framework that we’ve been piecing together — both in inspiration and substance.” The Saudi leader developed an initiative in 2002 in which the Arab world offered comprehensive peace with Israel in exchange for a full pullout from all territories it captured in the 1967 Mideast war. The initiative, revolutionary when it was introduced, has been endorsed by the Arab League and, technically, remains in effect. Read more: Kerry gains Arab backing for framework peace plan | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/kerry-gains-arab-backing-for-framework-peace-plan/#ixzz2rsuAzEDh IMO Zionists never + still don't want peace - their greed for land "Lebensraum" is insatiable. Watch - listen and note : [video=youtube;dsVABu9vH_k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsVABu9vH_k[/video] -----
actually, the Jews of the Levant and other Muslim areas faced anti-Semitic riots and persecution every few decades.
Riots and persecution in the Arab world - It's called the Jewish Nakba and it was on a regular basis not every few decades
Can you be more specific? BTW, it is idiotic to talk about the "Anti-Semitism" of Semites. The Muslim areas you are referring to are areas, populated by Semites.
Can you bee more specific about the persecution of Jews in Semitic countries? Had these persecutions something to do with the "race" of the Jews, or maybe with their religion? Has there been more persecution of Jews through the centuries, than the persecution of Pagans, Christians or Muslims? The "Muslim areas" of the Levant you are referring to are areas, populated by Semites. The term "Anti-Semitism" may have made sense in the European context till the end of the WWII (the European Christians supposedly hated Jews because these Jews were supposedly of Semitic origin), but somebody has to be a complete moron to suppose that oriental Semites hated Jews because of the supposed "Semitism" of these Jews. It is obvious that the hate against Jews had nothing to do with their supposed "Semitism", speak it had nothing to do with race or biology. The hate against Jews in European and in any other countries (even the Semitic countries) has something to do with the behaviour of some Jews, and this behaviour may be motivated by the religion of the Jews. The one of the most prominent and influential Jewish and Israeli Rabbi of the modern times Ovadia Josef believed that according to Judaism non-Jews are inferior people that have to serve their superior Jewish masters, like a donkey has to serve his master. The role of Jews is (according to Ovadia Yosef) to live like parasites. Well, if that was really the philosophy of Jews through the ages, then it is no wonder that Jews were expelled from nearly every country they lived in. And if this philosophy is not condemned by today Israeli leadership (and that does not seem to be the case), then the creation of Israel will not save the Zionist Jews from the universal hatred of non-Jews. In fact, Israel is one of the most hated countries in the world: As we see, it is quite easy to bribe the non-Jewish politician and Journalists and make them regularly kiss the ass of Zionists, but is seems to be impossible to convince the world population that they have to love Zionism and the Zionist entity in Palestine. Despite the almost total control of all western media and political establishment, despite the efforts of the "Holocaust Industry" Zionists failed to convince the world population that Zionists are "good guys" and that Israel is a decent country. The son of Ovadia Yosef wrote an introduction to the the so called "King's Torah", a hate book that advocates the killing of children, and the father never condemned the criminal behaviour of his son. Ovadia Josef was praised by Netanyahu as one of the most prominent Jewish teachers, and this hater received a huge funeral in Israel. Maybe the mentioned events can give us some clues why extremist and racist Jews were always hated not only in Europe, but also in oriental Semitic countries? In a nutshell: Radical Zionists who constantly talk about "haters" and "anti-Semites" should first look into the mirror, if they want to see a real Hater, who hates all non-Jews, even if these non-Jews are Semites.
your incitement against the Jews, is noted. Volksverhetzung http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksverhetzung
I don't know how many times I have to say this but many zionists were not european jews, but were from yemen and Iraq. And the european jews aren't even mostly genetically european, they are mostly near eastern. Its not racism. Tell me something, if these zionists were europeans, why on earth would they choose out of all places Israel and choose Hebrew as the national language? Why would 'racist europeans' ever want to adopt an afro-asiatic language as their own? And don't you find it a coincidence that the nazis actually hated these so called 'europeans' for being racially and linguistically different than them in the first place? These europeans you speak of were semites. And according to genetic studies, at the very least they are half near eastern which would make them 'biracial' according to your warped logic. And the farhud in Iraq happened prior to the reestablishment of Israel, but thats besides the point. It really says something about the moral character of the surrounding arab countries that they would use the creation of Israel as an excuse to persecute up to nearly 1,000,000 of their own jewish citizens. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. This persecution included massive pogroms, murder, rape and theft of jewish property. If they were such nice hosts, thats a funny way of showing hospitality. An 'oriental' zionist family from my ethno-religious stock. Syrian-Iraqi Jewish zionist family who came to eretz yisrael in the 1920s. Good thing they did or they would have slaughtered in the arab pogroms against them in the 40s.
The driving force behind Zionism were the European Jews, later a small percentage of oriental Jews joined them, but it is obvious that the oriental Jews do not have any political clout in Israel or in the Jewish diaspora. What to genetic studies, there is an agreement that the direct and indirect maternal lines of Ashkenazim (that is 50% of their genetic material) is local, speak European. Besides that, the West- and East-European Ashkenazim have totally different maternal lines. What to the paternal line, it is proven that about 30% of direct paternal line of Ashkenazim is without any doubts of European origin, even the dynasty of Ashkenazim Levities is to a large extent of local European origin. If you also consider the non-direct paternal lines, then the percentage of oriental genes becomes even smaller. Many people were fooled by the genetic research of the Cohen-Clan, but only about 2% of Ashkenazim and Sephardim belong to the Cohen-Clan, and in this genetic studies they fully neglect the indirect paternal lines and do not consider the maternal lines at all. And the direct paternal line is only a tiny amount of the total genetic material of a person. So people who had a common direct ancestor 2000 years ago may have 99,9% different genetic material, the may look like north Europeans and black Africans. If you want to explain why these people are looking different, you have to look for ALL their ancestors, not only for one single male ancestor that lived 2000 years ago. If you want to know more, read this comprehensive genetic study: http://www.politicalforum.com/scien...study-ashkenazi-jews-do-not-stem-hebrews.html Well, because the literally believe in the dogmas of their religion. As simple as that. How can this justify the crimes, committed against the Palestinians? BTW, Jews believed that they are a race, Moses Hess even talked about the "race struggle" between the Jewish and the Germanic race, he believed in the superiority of the "Jewish race", and he wrote his book "Rome and Jerusalem" before there was any National Socialism in Germany. No, they were not. They used a dead Semitic language in their liturgy, but their spoken language was not a Semitic language. All Muslims use Arabic language in their liturgy, but that does not mean that Turkish Muslims are Semites. See my comment above. That is a blanket statement about the Arabs. The hate between Oriental Jews and Oriental Muslims and Christians was instigated by the European Zionists, they placed bombs in Synagogues, they were caught red handed.
The ashkenazi jews have had many genetic tests done. Most have shown a near eastern origin almost entirely paternally and somewhat maternally. I have posted the studies on here over and over and over again. You are making blanket statements about zionists, they were not all 'european' jews. And you still haven't given any reasonable explanation as to why 'racist europeans' would want to adopt a semitic language as their national tongue. You are aware that the official language of Israel is sefaradic Hebrew aren't you? And no the farhud was not instigated by zionists but by some pro nazi arabs. They ripped jewish babies apart. I'm Iraqi Jewish believe me I know the history of my dad's country Israel and of my grandparents country Iraq. It was not a pretty picture in Iraq, our ancestors left Iraq because of arab persecution. You have been reading anti-zionist accounts only and it doesn't add up with what really happend. The farhud was just as violent against Jews as the holocaust, just on a smaller scale. And you still haven't explained the so called 'arab hospitality' to their jewish hosts. Yeah, lets expel, rape, murder all the Jews because of ISRAEL! That makes total sense! It says a lot about the character of the countries you defend.
Do you really understand what you are talking about? I have supporter my arguments with links. Would you please support your claims with links? But, please, do not quote outdated studies. I have explained it. There were and still a lot of fools that believed that they stem from Hebrews, for example the white British Israelites. If somebody believes that he stems from Hebrews, then he is eager to speak Hebrew. That is the reason why european Zionists invented Ivrit. Ivrit is an artificial language, invented by a Russian Jew. This invented language is a foreign language to all Jews, including the Ashkenazim. Well, Zionists were many times caught red handed, committing false-flag attacks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair http://azvsas.blogspot.de/2012/09/the-zionist-destruction-of-iraqi-jewish.html
I have posted many links over and over and over again in other threads concerning genetics, and no, they are not outdated. 3ivrit just means 'hebrew' in hebrew. Its not foreign to jews at all. Israeli Jews speak it and so do Israeli arabs. Hebrew is not invented anymore than aramaic. Jews knew hebrew for thousands of years not just for for prayer but also to communicate in the diaspora. How else could a sefaradic ladino speaking jew communicate to a yiddish speaking ashkenazi one? Through Hebrew. And then in modern times Eliezer Ben Yehuda adapted the language to include foreign words that didn't exist in speech or in old writing, like 'computer', etc. Arabic does the same thing, languages evolve over time. The language is semitic. And the pronunciation of israeli hebrew is in the sefaradic accent. So how is that racist? Here is the most modern study to date on ashkenazi jews and its autosomal dna: A 2013 study by Doron M. Behar, Mait Metspalu, Yael Baran, Naama M. Kopelman, Bayazit Yunusbayev et al using integration of genotypes on newly collected largest data set available to date (1,774 samples from 106 Jewish and non-Jewish populations) for assessment of Ashkenazi Jewish genetic origins from the regions of potential Ashkenazi ancestry(Europe, the Middle East, and the region historically associated with the Khazar Khaganate) concluded that "This most comprehensive study... does not change and in fact reinforces the conclusions of multiple past studies, including ours and those of other groups (Atzmon and others, 2010; Bauchet and others, 2007; Behar and others, 2010; Campbell and others, 2012; Guha and others, 2012; Haber and others; 2013; Henn and others, 2012; Kopelman and others, 2009; Seldin and others, 2006 Tian and others, 2008. We confirm the notion that the Ashkenazi, North African, and Sephardi Jews share substantial genetic ancestry and that they derive it from Middle Eastern and European populations, with no indication of a detectable Khazar contribution to their genetic origins." The authors also reanalyzed the 2012 study of Eran Elhaik, and found that "The provocative assumption that Armenians and Georgians could serve as appropriate proxies for Khazar descendants is problematic for a number of reasons as the evidence for ancestry among Caucasus populations do not reflect Khazar ancestry". Also, the authors found that "Even if it were allowed that Caucasus affinities could represent Khazar ancestry, the use of the Armenians and Georgians as Khazar proxies is particularly poor, as they represent the southern part of the Caucasus region, while the Khazar Khaganate was centered in the North Caucasus and further to the north. Furthermore, among populations of the Caucasus, Armenians and Georgians are geographically the closest to the Middle East, and are therefore expected a priori to show the greatest genetic similarity to Middle Eastern populations." Concerning the similarity of South Caucasus populations to Middle Eastern groups which was observed at the level of the whole genome in one recent study (Yunusbayev and others, 2012). The authors found that "Any genetic similarity between Ashkenazi Jews and Armenians and Georgians might merely reflect a common shared Middle Eastern ancestry component, actually providing further support to a Middle Eastern origin of Ashkenazi Jews, rather than a hint for a Khazar origin". The authors claimed "If one accepts the premise that similarity to Armenians and Georgians represents Khazar ancestry for Ashkenazi Jews, then by extension one must also claim that Middle Eastern Jews and many Mediterranean European and Middle Eastern populations are also Khazar descendants. This claim is clearly not valid, as the differences among the various Jewish and non-Jewish populations of Mediterranean Europe and the Middle East predate the period of the Khazars by thousands of years".[89][90] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Autosomal_DNA
Of course it doesn't make sense, but we are dealing with human nature. Arab nationalism was the prevalent ideology at the time, and what the Arabs saw were European invaders taking their land. It's similar to what the US government did to the Japanese following the Pearl Harbor attacks.
The Jews were not european invaders, quite the opposite. They were viewed as semites in europe and thus viewed as racially different. The countless genetics studies have shown that at the very least they are half middle eastern, but most studies say more than half. And I already stated that not all zionists were european sefaradic and ashkenazi jews, many came from Iraq, Kurdistan, Iran, Syria, and Yemen. And arab nationalism, if that was the driving force for the pogroms and theft of jewish property, rape, and murder, then arab nationalism was most certainly racist.
The ones that mattered and made the important decisions were certainly 'European.' Indeed, it was they who chose Palestine as the country to form their state in.
The initial ones certainly were. The Arab Jews which you bring up left their countries to Israel following the Arab backlash from what was happening in Palestine.
