Get out of Afghanistan everyone!

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  1. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Army IDs 2 Special Forces Soldiers Killed in Insider Attack

    Two Americans were killed Wednesday by Afghan soldiers. John Pelham. 22, of Portland, Ore., and Sgt. First Class Roberto Skelt, 41, of York, Fla., were deployed to Kapisa province.

    Pelham and Skelt were part of a small team of ISAF advisers who were with their Afghan counterparts at the Tagab District Center when two individuals wearing Afghan National Army uniforms opened fire on them with machine guns!!
    Pelham and Skelt were fatally wounded before the shooters were killed by coalition forces.

    The Associated Press reported that four other ISAF members were wounded.

    The number of insider attacks against international forces in Afghanistan has declined significantly since 2012, when more than 60 foreign troops were killed and many more were injured by their Afghan counterparts. But the Defense Department believes the threat has not diminished since a number of new security measures were implemented to mitigate the problem.

    “It’s just as dangerous as it ever was,” Kirby said.

    read all here:
    http://www.military.com/daily-news/...insider-attack.html?comp=7000023435630&rank=5
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    I don't understand WHY we, the West, Canada included, are still hanging out there.
    They don't want us - isn't that obvious?
    It's been over 12 years now and what have we achieved? A lot of dead and maimed young soldiers!
    This stupidity defies my kind of logic. Do we have too many young men and women to have them sacrificed in a godforsaken country?
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and we will be right back there because another Bin Laden ran is terrorist organization from there

    Want to know why we didn't have any trouble out of Germany and Japan after WW2 and have become good alias with them?
    Because we beat them into submission we broke them they wouldn't dare every try what they did again. this limit warfare crap we do now days is a joke you cant shake your finger at a bully, walk away, and not expect that bully to jump you again. you got to beat the crap out of that bully so he will know better never to try to jump you again
     
  3. Lil Mike

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    You're exactly right about that. The South, after the Civil War, and Germany and Japan after World War II were beaten into submission by a long, brutal war. That has a heavy psychological effect. Our victories in Afghanistan and Iraq were so quick that many people didn't even know a war had started until it was over. For the majority of those populations, there might as well have not even been a war.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Because we the people are still handing over our money to them. It's so handy how most people's income is automatically taxed, too, leaving them hoping for a rebate.

    Elites took away our power when they gained control of public finances to the point they have now, and when they seized control of the electoral process and the media, such that we have no choices but their selected 2 in most national elections.
     
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    I agree.

    Whatever good that Dubya did has been thrown away by Hussein Obama. Hussein Obama has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Best to do like Carter and the Impeached One - run!
     
  6. Lil Mike

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    It's a shame that Fallujah is back under the control of Al Qaeda, considering how difficult that victory was, and the lives that were expended.
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    By the standards of the Marine Corps, Fallujah was not a particularly difficult or costly victory. It was not in the class of Belleau Wood, Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Peliliu, Iwo Jima, Chosen Reservoir, or Khe Sanh. More like the re-taking of the Harpers Ferry engine house on a grander scale. Fallujah was a clinic more than a battle.
     
  8. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But is this not the idea of US policy that the Iraqis should stay in chaos and kill each other off? That way US companies can unobserved haul away the oil. The war was about oil, wasn't it?
    There seems to be a pattern:
    Iraq = chaos
    Afghanistan = chaos
    Egypt = chaos
    Libya = chaos
    Syria = chaos
    Ukraine = chaos started

    The Ukraine wasn't even on the list that was shown to General Leslie Clark, when he read it to us via youtube.

    I almost suspect there is a secret plan developed by the US think tank.
     
  9. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If I remember right, you had no reason to enter into Germany's war. So, beating them into submission with your bombing terror and afterwards killing about 1.5 million of their soldiers for nothing was indeed a hero's act. You traumatized two entire nations, because Japan did not fare any better than Germany. And you keep on doing it again and again with now smaller or not even militarized countries. To me that is a CRIME!! The Americans, and to a lesser degree the Canadians, have no morals and no excuses except their (*)(*)(*)(*)ty lies.
     
  10. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who is the "elite", I wonder? It has to be the banksters since money and power walk hand-in-hand.
    I had NO idea it even existed! My suspicion was that the FED was in charge of the global economy. Well, in part it is; Barnanke is a director of the BIS.


    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/...table-central-bank-of-the-world-secretly-does
     

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    That certainly is how things seem to be ending up. Our lovely government helps topple stable governments in select countries and continues to supply the fighters there afterwards.

    And the American people pay superficial attention to it all, concentrating rather on their own lives, while being made to pay for it all through taxation and inflation.

    What does the government accomplish by this? Preserves the dollar's reserve status, and yeah, helps American and other western companies to get lucrative contracts rebuilding, guarding and otherwise operating in those countries.

    Of course, they always make sure to emphasise the human rights stuff publicly, and the military is obviously put to work to try and beat whoever resists them and help the local civilian population. That good work makes it hard to criticise what's going on, especially with the whole "war on terror" thing representing a nebulous threat to the homeland (new popular term, I've noticed), but then our lovely government ignores all sorts of other human rights crises elsewhere around the world in less economically convenient places. It's hard to take that angle seriously when it's used so singly, and in places where human rights are less of a concern than in those other, more ignored, places.

    We're not even told everything. We're told what to think by our self-styled leaders, and the media of course cherry pick and carefully craft their stories in a government-friendly way.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    The bankers took over the world when the central bank system came along, and of course there are no barriers between bankers, businessmen and politicians. They're all in collusion, looking out for their own and one another. They have the money and the power.

    We just have the public vote, and that's controlled.
     
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    and if we didn't enter the war agaisnt Germany two things would have happened either all of Europe would be speaking German and European Jews would be extinct or all of Europe would have fallen under communist Russian rule because the Russians would not have stopped at Berlin they would have marched all the way to the Atlantic. so you can stop with your bleeding heart moral condemnation
     
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    The Iraqi government will take it back and basically do what Saddam did to keep the people their in check, pulling people out every now and then sending them to prisons to be tortured. Having people in the community and pick out and kill the trouble makers. They will have to keep doing this aswell as sending in ground forces when riots happen or an ambush, which is why the US marine went in to Fallujah. Iraq can only be ruled and never run, that is the way the British wanted it so they could control it and stop Saudi or Iran getting to powerful.
     
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    Only Nazi can say that. Are you a Nazi?
     
  16. Lil Mike

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    This is an extremely ignorant post.

    US companies are not hauling away Iraqi oil. Most of the oil contracts went to oil companies of other countries/

    It is not US policy that Iraqi's stay in chaos and kill each other. That doesn't benefit US foreign policy at all.

    The war was not about oil. You are confusing the Iraq War with the Gulf War.
     
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    You remember wrong. Germany declared war on the US on Dec. 11, 1941, a few hours later we declared war on Germany. If you want to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about 'bombing terror', you need to address your remarks to the British and Germans as they were both practicing it before we even entered the war.
     
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    Also the British did it first, it was a direct order by Churchill and 1 out of 7 British people killed in WW2 was killed in bomber command. Over 50,000 people.
     
  19. Jazz

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    German is a hard to learn language, but nothing wrong with it, although I doubt that would have been Hitler's plan.
    The European Jews would have been settled in Palestine, IF Britain would have allowed it, or they would have emigrated to the US, which many have done.
    The Communists made it as far as Berlin, thanks to your country's help. General Patton said in 1945: "We killed the wrong pig!" Meaning the Germans.
    As for the rest of your brainstorm you show me that you have no idea of reality. That might be a good thing in your case.:wink:
     
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    Wow that has to be one the best attempts at re-writing history I have seen for a while
     
  21. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks for the compliment! The same goes to you for your answer!!
    Yes, the benevolent United States wouldn't touch Iraqi oil, you think, eh? Although in Canada they say the Americans are as dumb as wood, I'm not convinced they are...YOU might be the exception!:wink::wink:

    Iraq has 115 billion barrels of known oil reserves.
    That is more than five times the total in the United States.
    A mere two thousand wells have been drilled across the entire country;
    in Texas alone there are a million.
    It has been estimated, by the Council on Foreign Relations, that Iraq may have a further 220 billion barrels of undiscovered oil;
    another study puts the figure at 300 billion.
    If these estimates are anywhere close to the mark, US forces are now sitting on one quarter of the world’s oil resources.
    The value of Iraqi oil, largely light crude with low production costs, would be of the order of $30 trillion at today’s prices.
    For purposes of comparison, the projected total cost of the US invasion/occupation is around $1 trillion.


    Need HELP comprehending??
    It does benefit the US greatly, because there is no unity = no threat to Israel or the USA.
    The Gulf War was a foreplay to the Iraq War.
     
  22. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course, the British with Bomber Harris are remembered still today. The Germans are actually celebrating the bombing of Dresden. Some nuts they have there!!

    I'm running out of steam. Here is a link for people like you who think they are blameless...

    President Roosevelt's Campaign To Incite War in Europe:
    The Secret Polish Documents


    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html
     
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    If it was a deliberate plan, hats off and a salute to the wonks who implemented it. As long as the Islamist fanatics are at each other's throats the less time they spend plotting to blow up subways and busses in Western countries, not to mention killing each other off in droves in their psychotic penchant for massacres. Hopefully they keep killing each other off for years to come. The U.S. should supply both sides, in case one side threatens to win and therefore shorten the time these animals will be slaughtering each other. Some reports indicate some of these terrorists are leaving Europe and the U.S. to go butcher their fellow vermin in Syria and Iraq. May they meet Allah, in tiny pieces.
     
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    Those neo-nazis at IHR still in business? I thought they folded when Weber came out and said the holocaust denial scam wasn't working, just the opposite, and all the Hitler fans got all upset with them. Did they find a new audience somewhere to peddle tabloid stuff to?
     
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    Taxcutter says;
    Things were going well in Afghanistan at the end of 2008. Five years later, it has gone to pot. The conclusion is inescapable.

    Where does that buck stop?
     

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