Ukraine Acting President Says Russia Has Invaded Ukraine

Discussion in 'Russia & Eastern Europe' started by Wehrwolfen, Feb 28, 2014.

  1. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2013
    Messages:
    25,350
    Likes Received:
    5,257
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Ukraine Acting President Says Russia Has Invaded Ukraine, As 2000 Russian Troops, Military Jets Arrive

    by Tyler Durden
    02/28/2014
    .
    Here we go:

    •UKRAINE ACTING PRESIDENT TURCHYNOV STARTS BRIEFING
    •UKRAINE LEADER SAYS RUSSIA STARTS AGGRESSION AGAINST COUNTRY
    •UKRAINE SAYS RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE UNDER GUISE OF EXERCISE
    •UKRAINE LEADER SAYS RUSSIA TRYING TO PROVOKE CONFLICT
    •UKRAINE LEADER SAYS RUSSIA SEEKING TO ANNEX CRIMEA
    •UKRAINE'S TURCHYNOV SAYS WILL DEFEND ITS INDEPENDENCE
    •UKRAINE ACTING PRESIDENT ACCUSES RUSSIA OF WORKING ON A SCENARIO LIKE BEFORE WAR WITH GEORGIA
    From AFP:


    Russia has sent "several hundred" troops into Ukraine's Crimea region, US defense officials said Friday, after Kiev called on Moscow to withdraw its forces from the peninsula.

    "It looks like they’ve moved several hundred troops there (into Crimea)," a senior defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told AFP.

    The comments marked the first confirmation from President Barack Obama's administration that Russia had launched an incursion into Crimea.

    The Russians had not given the US government advance notice of the action or explained its intentions since the operation was launched, officials said.

    But Pentagon officials stressed Washington was focused on diplomacy, and there was no serious consideration being given to any US military action.

    "It is now in the realm of diplomacy," said a second defense official, who asked not to be named.

    Officials also said they were not aware of any request from Ukraine for military assistance.

    More from Interpretermag.com:
    (http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-11-airports-seized/#1752)

    “Under the guise of military exercises, Russia has brought troops into the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. And not only have they seized the parliament of the Crimea, the Council of Ministers of the Crimea, they are trying to take civilian buildings under control, communications, and trying to block places where Ukrainian soldiers are based,” he said in an appeal to the nation.​


    [Excerpt]

    Read more:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...arts-aggression-against-country-russian-plane

    Yesterday I was called a conspiracy kook because I posted information and the possible invasion of the Ukraine and Crimea by Russia. Today it is a fact.
     
  2. Wizard From Oz

    Wizard From Oz Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2008
    Messages:
    9,676
    Likes Received:
    62
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Could you point to the posts where you were called a conspiracy kook
     
  3. mrmeangenes

    mrmeangenes New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2012
    Messages:
    286
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I don't really care, but if you want to look through posts yourself, Wiz--feel free !:clapping:

    Why not return to the thread topic - instead of playing " Dance of the Seven Veils" , or "Peek-a-boo" ; or whatever else it is you seem anxious to divert attention to ??:oldman:

    Old Wehrwolfen has been doing a (Ahem !) howling good job !:flagus:
     
  4. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2009
    Messages:
    30,071
    Likes Received:
    1,204
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Do Americans Want To Intervene In Ukraine?...
    :confusion:
    The less Americans know about Ukraine’s location, the more they want U.S. to intervene
    April 7,`14 ~ Since Russian troops first entered the Crimean peninsula in early March, a series of media polling outlets have asked Americans how they want the U.S. to respond to the ongoing situation. Although two-thirds of Americans have reported following the situation at least “somewhat closely,” most Americans actually know very little about events on the ground — or even where the ground is.
    See also:

    All-Out Brawl Breaks Out In Ukraine Parliament
    - Deputies in the Ukrainian parliament brawled in the chamber on Tuesday after a communist leader accused nationalists of playing into the hands of Russia by adopting extreme tactics early in the Ukrainian crisis.
     
  5. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2009
    Messages:
    30,071
    Likes Received:
    1,204
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Granny says, "Dat's right - ya can't trust dem commies...
    :grandma:
    Ukraine Forcing EU to Rethink Russia Policy
    April 24, 2014 — The head of the European Union's delegation to Russia has cast doubt on the effectiveness of last week's mutiparty agreement to reduce tensions in Ukraine. Vygaudas Usackas spoke to reporters about EU-Russia relations as Ukraine called on Russia to explain its military drills near their border.
    See also:

    Kerry Threatens More Sanctions, Says Russia is 'Stoking Instability' in Ukraine
    April 24, 2014 — Secretary of State John Kerry says Russia is "stoking instability" in Ukraine, and the Obama administration will impose additional sanctions against Moscow if it does not keep promises made last week to help de-escalate the crisis.
     
  6. Yazverg

    Yazverg Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,400
    Likes Received:
    218
    Trophy Points:
    63


    I love Internet.
    Today is the 25th of april and US is still asking Russia to drive away its troops from the border with Ukraine.
    During this time:
    1) There was an ignaroed referendum for the independence of Crimea which was later recognised as unlawful by those who ignored it.
    2) There was an uprising of the people that were called russian agents in the territories that are inhabited by Russians.
    3) These rebels were capturing administrations just the way it has just happened in Kiev, but the press of the eastern ukrainians uprising is completely different from the previous hysteria when "protesters" were setting Kiev police on fire.
    4) There were numerous atrocities that are told to be done by russians with zero evidence that it was done or that it was done by russians.
    5) There were numerous evidences of atrocities in Ukraine but none of the press has ever reported it as an atrocity that happened because of kievan junta
    6) Kievan junta decided to talk to the protesters and to have a kind of Dialogue
    7) CIA director came to Kiev
    8 ) Kievan junta decided to make anti-terrorist operation
    9) Kievan junta failed to use any army and police to fight 'russian agents' and had to prosecute them for not becoming butchers
    10) Kievan junta declared a cease fire for the period of Easter holidays
    11) Vice President of the US came
    12) Junta used APC's and 2 gunship to kill 5 people (which was enough for US to start war preparation against Asad and Syria recently) and got scared once Russia brought its troops to its borders
    13) Now US officials are demanding that Russia takes its army away that junta dares to kill its people again.

    So after all of this what do you think yourself you really are? :)
     
  7. Art_Allm

    Art_Allm Banned at Members Request Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2009
    Messages:
    4,003
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Good post and good question!
     
  8. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    Messages:
    10,501
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Yes, Russia are being so aggressive that the Western Alliance, after assaulting Ukrainian people using Ukrainian military, demand an explanation for what Russian forces are doing ON THEIR OWN TERRITORY! Since when is practicing border patrol on your own territory an "invasion"?

    So they can go right up to Russia's doorstep to flex their muscles, and then complain because Russia stir from behind their own door? Why don't the USA explain their exercises and NATO buildups on Russian borders? They've moved a fleet now into the Black Sea, in striking distance of Russian targets on Russian soil... Explain that.

    I can show photographic evidence of USA boots on the ground in Ukraine, up to top ranking officials including politicians and the CIA director among others. Kerry tried showing photos of alleged Russian forces in East Ukraine. Like the flyers, it turned out to be a hoax! The USA always insist they have evidence that they don't. On this occasion, they offered up what they said was evidence twice, which is rare to actually show something. And two out of two occasions, they were proved to be trying to play a scam. If there were REAL evidence we would know. This proves they are trying to sell a phoney case. Like Iraq in 02-03 all over again.

    USA claim no Russian officials called on Eastern separatists to lay down their arms, even though Lavrov did exactly that. Meanwhile, what have THEY done? NOTHING but escalate and encourage further violence, in direct violation of the latest Geneva deal.
     
  9. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2013
    Messages:
    25,350
    Likes Received:
    5,257
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I think that Putin took seriously Obama's statement to Medvedev.
    ([video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE[/video])​

    That showed Obama as weak and feckless. In reference to the Ukraine. The Ukraine has historically been under the thumb of Russia. Factually Russia has used the Ukraine as their bred basket and starved Ukrainians unmercifully in the past to the point of genocide. Obama is looked upon by Putin, Asians and Muslims as weak, ineffectual and effeminate leader. In effect a push over. Other presidents may be blamed for today's foreign policy setbacks, however, if it were Obama's first term, perhaps it could be excused. Obama' rhetoric both acerbic and condescending to both friend and foe has estranged our allies and emboldened our enemies.
     
  10. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2013
    Messages:
    25,350
    Likes Received:
    5,257
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Putin Warns of Consequences as Ukraine Steps Up Offensive


    By Daryna Krasnolutska and Ilya Arkhipov
    Apr 24, 2014

    President Vladimir Putin warned Ukraine against continuing its anti-separatist offensive after government troops killed five rebels and prompted Russia’s military to begin new drills on the two nations’ border.

    “If it’s true that the current regime in Kiev sent the army against citizens inside its country, then it is a very serious crime against its own nation,” Putin said today in St. Petersburg. “It will have consequences for the people who make such decisions, including relations between our countries. We’ll see how the situation develops and we’ll make conclusions based on the reality on the ground.”

    Ukrainian Interior Ministry and army troops destroyed three road blocks as they fought pro-Russian separatists in the Donetsk region city of Slovyansk, the ministry said today on its website. Russia’s latest drills are a response to events in eastern Ukraine and involve warplanes near the border, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said, according to Interfax.

    An agreement to disarm rebels signed last week in Geneva by Ukraine, Russia, the European Union and the U.S. is on the brink of collapse. President Barack Obama said today the U.S. and its allies have additional sanctions against Russia ready to go because Putin’s government has yet to abide by the accord.

    Read more:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-24/obama-says-u-s-ready-to-move-on-russia-sanctions.html

    Obama's response has been to send MRE's and helmets but no arms or ammo as he had originally promised. Fecklessness and lying Obama's keynote traits proven time and time again.
     
  11. Yazverg

    Yazverg Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,400
    Likes Received:
    218
    Trophy Points:
    63
    I had one simple question. You prefferred to blame Obama, Putin, Russia and russians, but you were not even near answering the question... So I think it is too difficult for you to accept for the moment... The same it is for Obama and White House about their failure in Ukraine IMHO... But it is better to accept a failure the earlier the better. Because acting as if nothing has happened is much worse.
     
  12. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2013
    Messages:
    25,350
    Likes Received:
    5,257
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You could be right except you have taken the recent developments in the Ukraine are directly related to the words and actions of Obama and his foreign policies. Drawing "Red Lines" in Syria is one thing. Not acting upon the multiple violations of the "Red Lines" indicates weakness. Putin and other belligerents smell blood in the water and Obama's weakness invites attacks and violations of international laws.
     
  13. Yazverg

    Yazverg Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,400
    Likes Received:
    218
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Obama has promised Japan that he would make war with China and Russia on the side of Japan (in future) in case that they join the sanctions against Russia (now). So he is a tough politician. And all this bloody mess started not on Putin's word. It all started from Maidan. And Maidan was not done by russians.
     
  14. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2013
    Messages:
    25,350
    Likes Received:
    5,257
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Really? That remains to be seen. Obama may talk tough but he's shown he's weak in carrying out his statements. Obama says one thing calling for "Red Lines" in the sand while really means pink advisories. Like Russia, if China acts aggressively against Taiwan, the Philippines, Japan, or Malaysia, I doubt very much if Obama would act treaties or not. Obama is a weak leader China, Russia and the Muslim Jihadists including Iran know it. Even our allies have become aware of this by Obama's actions.
     
  15. Yazverg

    Yazverg Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,400
    Likes Received:
    218
    Trophy Points:
    63


    What should Obama do to please you, guys. Ge started an invasion on the whole world and so far he is winning. The strike is done with color revolutions. Latin AMerica (xcept for Venezuella) has fallen, North Africa (xcept for Egypt) is down. East (but for Iran and partly Syria) is grabbed, Ukraine is on gire and fire is getting to Russia, China which tried to get closer economically with Taiwan is also put on to a verge of the war... Obama is trying to please you and he risks everything just to get your approval. He has almost conquered the world. This is the top of the world where you are for the moment... :)
     
  16. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2013
    Messages:
    25,350
    Likes Received:
    5,257
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I'm glad you think so. Obama is a proven liar time and time again and does not keep his word to those who elected him or his allies. We are however sure that Muslims and Obama's friends Medvedev and Putin have no fear of Obama stopping their aggressive tactics. We do know that Obama gave Putin the Okay by the private accidental open microphone conversation with Medvedev.
     
  17. Yazverg

    Yazverg Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,400
    Likes Received:
    218
    Trophy Points:
    63
    He is a politician afterall. You think Putin fulfils 100% of what he promised before being elected? :) Who of all politicians ever did?

    I remember that. Obama promised Putin that after the elections he would be more flexible... And what? He was elected. All this flexibility ended up in an anti-russian coup in the Ukraine and all the sanctions that US could afford. So what? :)))

    PS. I would never think that I would protect Obama who is a true hawk of war against a more hawky guy...
     
  18. olegp

    olegp Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2013
    Messages:
    321
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Gender:
    Male
    people of East Ukraine are fighting for their freedom
     
  19. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    Messages:
    10,501
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Yep. Or their own right to self-determination. They haven't used any tactics that the forceful coup de'tat movement haven't used, to the same degree or worse. The only difference is separatists fight to restore their right of self-determination that was stolen from them, while the Kiev puppets when seizing power and after claiming to be in power, have fought for nothing other than oppression and subjugation of people who never gave consent.
     

Share This Page