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  1. JoeSixpack

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    SO, is there anybody going to go see Noah this weekend?

    Or are you a pawn in the fake controversy being propagandized on the boob tube?

    It is baffling listening to the idiotic complaints being directed towards this movie.

    Oh the inhumanity, they don't call God, 'God', how dare they refer to him as the creator, as if he actually created everything in the universe or something. :blankstare:

    Is that really an argument? Cuz it sounds like a catty exchange between spoiled individuals with nothing better than to create BS/gossip about others, they despise or are jealous of.

    Another slanderous attack on the movie; Why don't they follow the Bible and what it teaches?

    Quote from the Bible;

    So God is the creator. So WTF is the argument here? :roll:

    Oh and now it is being condemned for being a global warming propaganda movie because it is a movie about this creator, who ever the hell he is, cleansing the earth. Really?

    Excuse me, but isn't that what the story is about? Didn't God/the creator eradicate mankind because it had become overwhelmingly evil, corrupt, and wickedly self riotous? And didn't God/the creator decide not only to cleanse the earth of mankind but "all" animals, beasts/creeping things/birds/etc... to start anew. A cleansing if you will. :icon_jawdrop:

    From the Bible;

    How did this become such a political debauchery. It's a movie for crying out loud, based on a fable/story from the Bible with a moral, about cleansing the earth of wickedness to teach people that corruption and self riotousness is evil, and destructive, and mankind should not to be that away, since the creator of all things has already wiped the slate clean "ONCE" and is powerful enough to do it again if he sees fit to do so. He brought us into this world and he can by god take us out.

    You would think that the religions who teach the Bible and accept the single God theory would be praising/marketing this movie not condemning it over idiotic superficial propagandized nonsense. :eyepopping:
     
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    more whitewashing of ancient history, portraying the hero's of Afrika/Asia as europeans. wont be touching this movie with a barge pole.
     
  3. JoeSixpack

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    It's a story, a good story, that has absolutely no evidence of being historical in any way. Something to scare children into submitting to an interpretative indoctrination from many belief cultures and religions, some older than Judaism or Christianity themselves.

    It's why there are over 600 global flood stories, tales, myths, and legends of ancient cultures.
     
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    did you watch it already? or are you referring to the bible in general?
     
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    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I plan on seeing it this Sunday.
    I don't care about "accuracy," since I do not believe there is anything "accurate" about the Bible anyway!
     
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    The movie takes great license with the Biblical story. Other than a flood and a man named Noah building an ark, there is nothing else from the biblical story.

    In the movie, the reason God floods the earth is because mankind has overpopulated the earth and abused the earths resources. Thats not the Biblical Noah story at all. Its simple "progressive" crap.

    If you want to go see it, then go. But dont expect it to be the Bible story of Noah.
     
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    I bet you watched Thor, even though it protrayed white characters as Asian and black.
     
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    OMG are you serious? I'm not religious but the nerve to insert progressive propaganda into a Biblical story. How insulting.
     
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    They did it with a part Maori actor :roflol:
     
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    did what?

    had sex?
     
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    It is a MOVIE folks, get a grip. Most thinking minds do not take the story literally, even most Christians don't. The fact is it is for entertainment only, want to know the story written in the Bible then read it. The fact of the matter is there has never been a world wide flood during the short time man has been on the planet and the idea that anyone could get 2 of every species on the planet onto one boat is ludicrous at best.
     
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    Can't stand Russel Crow so won't I won't go watch him play a mythological Noah character, ... or any other character for that matter!
     
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    Talking about the story, the fable that is in many cultures some predating Judaism and Christianity itself. This makes it Biblical? Or did the people who came later that chronicled the Bible know more than the actual origins of the story? The 'story' is a good one no matter who's version is accepted.

    There is no conclusive evidence of a global flood although many areas of the planet were underwater at one time or another. There are a lot of theories, and they are based for the most part on a conclusion in search of facts, almost to the point at times of jamming a square peg into a round hole and being satisfied with the results.

    No I haven't seen it but it intrigued me the way the religious/media has attacked the movie, most of which haven't seen it yet. Their biggest concern besides the hidden agenda, political paranoia, associated with anything "Hollyweird" does, is that the director is an atheist who was raised Jewish.

    Then the pettiness of condemning the usage of creator rather than God, seems a bit disingenuous since God was the creator, and if we are being completely technical he has a name, and it's YHWH, or "Yahweh" when pronounced properly.

    And what is this total fanaticism with so-called Christians with the concept of environmentalism?

    Are we not the care-takers?

    "The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to till and keep it," Genesis 2:15. The Hebrew words shamar and abad, usually translated as "till and keep" in this verse, could be just as accurately translated as "serve and preserve." The word shamar is also used in Numbers 6:24: "The Lord bless you and keep you." God desires that we treat the creation in the same way that God treats us.

    We are stewards of God's earth, ruling over that which is not ours. "You [God] made humans ruler over the works of your hands; you put everything under our feet: All flocks and herds, and the beasts of the field, the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, all that swim the paths of the seas," Ps 8:6-8.

    In any case arguing over such menial technicalities just seems petty and shouldn't distract from the larger message or meaning of the story in general. When mankind becomes to wicked for its own good it isn't good for anybody. It isn't good for humanity (people), the planet (animals, environment, etc...), or the future. It just seems rather than attacking one another for who's belief is more significant or better, the actual dialogue that should be taking place, isn't, and is lost in political rhetoric, and childish arrogance.
     
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    Let us know what you thought of it.
     
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    You forgot gathering all the animals in two's, and the significance of the rainbow, and the promise of the creator dude, whomever he is? :wink:
     
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    Well. . .I have very mixed feelings about this movie. First, I think the acting was superior! The story is very far from any biblical fairy tale, and in terms of "fairy tale" of its own. . .it's more of an "devil's tale!"

    It' a blood thirsty, disturbing film, but it does have its good moments. Noah is portrayed as a man who beeves he gets his messages from God, but is just about as blood thirsty as "the bad guys" whom he believes God wants to alienate from the earth.

    It's so "far out" and yet still following the basic bible story that one can really see how incongruous and unbelievable the whole story (whether it is the interpretation of the Bible or that in the movie) really is.

    I don't think I would want to see it again. . .but I'm glad I went.

    Basically women in that movie seemed a lot more human and smart and "inspired" than any of the men!
     
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    Now i really want to see it.
     
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    Interesting read;
    The unfortunate thing is that while the film is a visual stunner, the liberties it took with the story will make it harder for people to understand how bizarre the times of Noah were. They will also lose or even reject the story of the so-called alien “watchers” or Nephilim because they are depicted as giants made of stone instead of fallen angels or even reptilian/vampire entities.

    The depiction of the King of Ur, Tubal-Cain, is that of a king of a ruthless marauding people that appeared to be like vampires. They were ravenous and materialistic. Tubal Cain was, according to legend, a descendant of Lilith. He was of the dynasty of the Leviathan.

    Most of this is not Biblical, it is simply taken from the ancient legends that were spoken of before the great flood. Many legends speak of giants, “the watchers” and other beings that arrived to earth from places in the sky that were seen during the light of day.

    In Darren Aronofsky’s ‘Noah‘, we view a movie that is supposed to be a Biblical epic, but it is more like a lost chapter of ‘Star Wars’ or ‘Lord of the Rings’. The reason it seems that way is that, while the names and images are somewhat Biblical, the depictions of many of the characters and the names and associations are fictional. Much of what is depicted seems to have been taken from other historic and legendary accounts making Noah seem more like Hercules or some other mythical hero.

    ‘The Secret Doctrine’ – or the ‘Book of Dzyan‘ – has been called the oldest book ever written and allegedly connects all of the dots of the pre-Adamic world and the beings that existed before the Earth went through a major change.

    In the ancient writings, we learn of the serpent race that shared habitat with a race of subhuman man. It was also written that there were several other creatures that existed that were the remnants of genetic experimentation by the gods. There were goat men, centaurs, wolfmen, fishmen, and all sorts of other strange beings. The beings would breed and create a race of intelligent “monsters.”

    The upright serpents waged war with the other monsters. They built fortresses where they would hide and then plan their attacks.

    These fortresses were bases or strongholds called the Al Mahozim.

    Floods and fire destroyed many of these hidden fortresses.

    Many of the reptilians were forced to hide in underground fortresses in order to protect themselves from destruction. It is said that many of these serpents and monsters – or “The Nachash” – returned again after man was created.

    Much of what I was watching in the film seemed to be extracted from the ancient Kabalistic teachings and not from the Bible. In fact, when Noah gives his story of creation we see Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden as luminescent perfect beings. They are also androgynous. This seems to lean towards a more Gnostic idea of the creation.

    Ancient sects had traditions in the 2nd century AD that described our first parents as luminous bodies of light. After the fall of man, they changed into more human like forms with darker skin , fatter and more docile.

    If one reads the Zohar, one of the sacred texts of the Kabbalah, you will find that it also describes Adam and Eve as personages of light that transformed:

    “When our forefather Adam inhabited the Garden of Eden, he was clothed, as all are in heaven, with a garment made of the higher light. When he was driven from the Garden of Eden and was compelled to submit to the needs of this world, what happened? God, the Scriptures tell us, made Adam and his wife tunics of skin and clothed them; for before this they had tunics of light, of that higher light used in Eden.” — Zohar

    This should not surprise anyone who know of Darren Aronofsky’s movie “Pi.” The movie deals with the sacred numbers of God and the secrets of the Kabbalah.

    There is also mention of the fallen angels in the film and while it would be tempting to say that they are the Nephilim, what they seem to be is nothing more than the Gnostic vision of Archons that have fallen to Earth that according to Jewish mysticism don’t remain fallen. Hey eventually return to the place from where they came. In the film they are rocky giants made of “lava” which to me was a little hokey. I was expecting something far more interesting like what has been written about in the book of Genesis Chapter 6.

    However, the sixth chapter of Genesis indicates metaphorically that there was a war between God’s creation and the “watchers” that came from heaven to have sexual relations with the women.

    Their purpose was to contaminate the creation of God, the very reason why God wanted to flood the Earth in the first place.

    In this film, the “giants” are seen as sympathetic to Noah and wish to help him build his ark.

    Now these beings, or “watchers”, are referred to four times in the Old Testament. They were called the fallen ones in many translations of scripture.

    The word ‘nephal’ is Hebrew for ‘fallen ones’. The word Nephilim comes from that word. They were also called gigantes which of course has been interpreted as giants. When in reality the root form means that they were “Earth born.” As KHouse.org points out, “The early church viewed the B’nai Elohim as angels up through the late fourth century…”

    However, that all changed and the idea that the offspring was created by Satan to destroy the bloodline to Christ is the prominent theory that exists and that these beings had to be destroyed in the flood of Noah. Noah and his family were allegedly not corrupted by the mingling of these beings.

    The flood did not destroy all of the Nephilim. We read in Biblical texts that the sons of Anak later became the Anakim. They were great giants who had the same characteristics of the Nephilim.

    These beings are mentioned as angels that sinned or did not keep their first estate. They are known as the notorious reptilian aliens. Many say that these beings are real and that they wish to pervert the order of things. They are allegedly capable of taking on human form. That is, of course, if you read the Bible. These aliens are allegedly reptilian forms that have existed since the dawn of man.

    The new ‘Noah’ film also shows that there were animals and beasts that were unknown to us, but were seen in Noah’s time as resources for food and clothing. There is also a fixation on the serpent as a symbol of enlightenment as Tubal-Cain steals the skin of the serpent from the Garden of Eden after he kills Lamech, the father of Noah.

    This idea of the “serpent” as the being of enlightenment harkens back to the Nachash. The Nachash are not crawling snakes, but shimmering walking serpent or Sauron-looking beings that – according to the Kabbalah – had a hand in our creation as it is written in the Zohar that the Nachash and Adam had sexual encounters in the garden to populate the planet.

    ““Two beings [Adam and Nachash] had intercourse with Eve, and she conceived from both and bore two children. Each followed one of the male parents, and their spirits parted, one to this side and one to the other, and similarly their characters. On the side of Cain are all the haunts of the evil species; from the side of Abel comes a more merciful class, yet not wholly beneficial – good wine mixed with bad.” (Zohar 136)”

    It seems that the God that is worshiped in the movie ‘Noah’ is more in line with the Gnostic “’demiurge” which is a more chaotic and psychopathic alien god.

    This is why Noah behaves the way he does when the flood comes and becomes more and more beastly than a man. The idea is not lost on those who know Jewish mysticism and realize that there have been texts that have speculated that the men and women that lived in Noah’s time – and those that came after – needed the higher law handed down to Moses because most of the ancients were worshiping a chaotic vampiric god. One that demanded blood and sacrifice, one that showed no mercy.

    You can open your Bible and read about the strange beasts that were recorded in several texts. From what I can determine, the scriptures found in the Book of Numbers tell us that there was a race of reptilian giant vampires that would attack the groups that were sent by Moses to explore the land of Canaan.

    “But the men that went up with him said, we are not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.

    And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search is a land that has devoured up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it men of a great stature.

    And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which were the offspring of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.” – The Book of Numbers 13:31

    Imagine yourself living in the time of Moses.

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    Moses says to you that you are to gather a group of your strongest men to explore the land of Canaan. In your journey you come upon giant, upright beasts that are man-eating giants that drink the blood of the animals and the human beings.

    Can you believe that your very own Bible gives you proof of reptilian vampiric aliens?

    “Behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices among you, which will bite you, sayeth the Lord.”– Jeremiah 8:17

    I have always had a sense of mounting fear about the idea that the gods that we feared anciently were possibly vampiric. That the “old ones” that are spoken of in fiction are truly gods that demand that blood be spilled and flesh be eaten in order to preserve youth, or attain some immortality. There are several places anciently where you can read of the vampire and how they are truly those who rule in secret behind the scenes demanding that more blood be spilled.

    Even on the tablets found in ancient Babylonian temples we read:

    “The evil Spirit, the evil Demon, the evil Ghost, the evil Devil, From the earth have come forth; From the Underworld unto the land they have come forth; In heaven they are unknown, On earth they are not understood, They neither stand nor sit, Nor eat nor drink.” – From an ancient Babylonian Tablet “CC,” Vol.II.

    The way to overcome the bloodthirsty urges of the time was to transcend the evil, jealous god through the enlightenment and lessons given by the serpent. This is why Noah changes in the film from seeing himself as evil and impure to becoming one with another more merciful being that is full of love and understanding – one that wishes to renew rather than destroy.

    The new film ‘Noah’ is by no means about the Biblical Noah. In fact, there is really nothing Biblical about the film.

    To be honest, I was confused because the film was praised by Christian leaders who, at first, saw it as a conversation starter. Now they’re panning it for being blasphemous from a Christian perspective.

    This must serve as a warning to people that there are many traditions and histories that can be coated with a Biblical veneer.

    The implications of a Luciferian or Gnostic Genesis should set off all sorts of alarms that there seems to be an effort to slowly convert us into the notion that there is more to these ancient stories than just angels, demons and gods.

    There lies in the shadows the story of the reptilian infiltration and how the struggles of the prophets and the figures of ancient history were far more complicated on a cosmic and quantum level.

    It may not be gospel, it may not be canon, but it is fascinating to those with open minds.
     
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    Saw the movie.

    Didn't like it. Frankly didn't find it very entertaining.
     
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    Aronofsky makes my brain hurt.
     
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    As to the bolded part there is nothing TO the story of Noah beyond that.

    The story of Noah is part of Genesis, it takes all of TWO PAGES in most Bibles

    And all the Bible says is that man had "disobeyed god's law and worshiped idols" . Just HOW he did that is not specified.
     
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    Watched today, the worst movie ever. Unless you like LIES, CGI and bad acting. Another Hollywood crap.
     
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    What "lies" are you referring to?

    It is a creative interpretation of a man made fairy tale. . .and the "Bible version" of Noah is no more and no less a "lie" as the Hollywood version.

    So. . .what are you referring to?

    Re: the acting, I totally disagree. I thought it was very well acted.
    Re: the movie itself, I have mixed feelings, as I don't like violent movies, but I still do not understand what you refer to as "lies!"
     
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    But, it did mention the Watchers and they helped Cain and his descendants built advanced civilizations. However, the rock bodies are kid version stuffs that really disappointed me.

    The lies about Noah tried to kill his grandchildren is the most disgusting part of the movie and the theme was ridiculously long, took almost half part of the movie, make Noah look like a crazy man and try to portrait God and his followers are bad guys.

    It's so obvious to me now that Hollywood is controlled by satanic cults.

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    Please see my post # 24, I am so offended, I have to rant it out agains
     
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    If God didn't want to save human, why would HE saved Noah and his family in the first place?
    The theme about God only want to save animals are total garbage.
     

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